Jon Stewart's sanctimonious argument goes like this:
- Trannies doing drag shows for kids = free speech!
He then baits the evil Republican into saying we need to protect children.
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The "leading cause of death among children in this country" is firearms! more than cancer! more than car accidents!
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You don't mind infringing free speech, but you don't give a flying fuck about dead children!!!!!!!!!!
As always, liberal arguments are lies, and designed around emotional manipulation. Take a good hard look at this chart showing the causes of death of "children and adolescents age 1-19" since it is Stewart's source.
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19 year olds are not "children". Nobody thinks when you say "children" you are including people age 18 & 19, and most people see "children" as more like ages 1-12. Stewart's source does not say "children" it says "children and adolescents" but even then, it has to explain how it defines the term because its wrongly roping in 18 and 19 year old adults. Let me assure you that the vast majority of gun deaths were from 18 and 19 year olds, and almost none were from 1-12 year olds.
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Existing studies show that street crime and gang violence peak at ages 17-19.
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Gun deaths were not the leading cause of death until a sudden spike in 2020.
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You will notice that firearm deaths were declining until 2014, when they started to rise, then SPIKED in 2020. Why did this happen? BLM. BLM caused liberal Democrat DAs and politicians to stop their cops from doing their jobs, and to stop prosecuting black violent criminals. This meant a large spike in crime which began to build in 2014, and spiked hugely in 2020 and 2021. And the source proves this hidden in an appendix, which shows the vast majority of these gun deaths are blacks.
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Therefore the real issue here is that Democrats and their soft on crime embrace of BLM & refusal to prosecute blacks, caused a large increase in black gang violence. Gang violence peaks in the group included in this chart, and it's no wonder why this age range was chosen to lend itself to precisely the kind of misrepresentation committed by Stewart here.
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Gun control would do nothing to stop older teen gang violence since the guns used are always illegal to begin with.
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Drag shows being considered adult and thus not being allowed for children is not a free speech issue. The 1A allows for "time, place, or manner" restrictions. Pornography is free speech, and yet we all know porn can't be sold to minors. Same thing.
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Many liberals take this a step further and like to argue or imply that this bodycount is the result of school shooters when it's really suicide and gang violence. School shooters, while they get all the headlines, barely kill anyone and don't even show up on the statistics if you tried to put them there. Typically lightning strikes kill more people per year than school shooters.
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Drag shows are not presently illegal but gun crimes already exist. It's unclear what Jon Stewart thinks the hypocrisy is or what he thinks the solution is, but we all know what he wants: total gun confiscation along the Australians & European models. All because libtard politicians and DAs let their black gangs run amok.
I know this isn't the 1st time I've debunked this trash. It isn't a new argument. It's been around since at least May 19, 2022 based on that misleading propaganda article.
Children by every technical definition are pre-pubescent. The argument applies equally on that front for guns and troon grooming on the conservative side. If Stewart actually gave a fuck about dead kids he would be throwing spitfire at the places that have the highest rates of school shootings, Democratic run local governments…
Yup, and 19 isn't even a minor, much less a child. That "study" is absolute insanity.
The study relies on social conflation of medical/ scientific terms. By every standard definition a 13 year old is an adolescent, this of course can be debated as genetically not every 13 year old has achieved puberty, but the majority of children have reached adolescence by that age. What’s interesting and probably entirely intentional by the “Left” is the conflation of prepubescent and post pubescent.
Holy basedness. Fucking thank you. 17 year olds are not children either. Doesn't mean it is okay to let weirdos get ahold of them, but it isnt uncommon to see people be like "omg it's literally a child" and all I can think is no it actually fucking isn't. The terms minor and child are not interchangeable.
It's pointless for the righteous to argue with demons because the demon can't help but serve his master.
You aren't going to change Jon Stewart's mind on these matters through reasoned debate any more than you could reason a demon into turning away from Satan. But there's a chance he could change your mind, and he knows this.
Still good to put out the counterargument. Still might not be worth much, but this could help someone in a conversation with a leftist at some point. Leftists are nearly immune to facts, but not entirely, and sometimes something will make them stop and think.
The point isn't to change Stewart's mind, it's to potentially change the mind of someone who believes him. Or at least embarrass that person.
I have no issue with pointing out the errors and the like. I simply question the utility of sitting across from Stewart and engaging with him. It gives him a target to attack rhetorically -- which he is a master at -- and it legitimizes the idea that this is a simple policy debate instead of a philosophical/religious one.
Academics used to refuse to debate Creationists for these exact reasons. And ultimately they didn't need to "debate" because people who agreed with them philosophically/religiously used political authority to ban Creationism through the courts and legislature.
Do those two things instead of "debate".
Oh, I thought you meant OP shouldn't have rebutted. Yeah, I agree then; there's no point in agreeing to talk to Stewart. He won't treat you fairly, and it's on his terms. Stupid battle to pick, one that will be almost literally impossible to win. Stewart is a slimeweasel who uses underhanded tactics to appear to win debates. And has the final edit.
If you do insist on talking to Stewart...make sure it's on neutral ground or, even better, your own ground. Because most "neutral" ground isn't actually neutral if you're arguing against the leftist narrative.
I rolled my eyes so hard when the lefty’s I know started sharing that clip around. Everyone of them pro abortion on demand for any reason
The new push to conflate elective abortion with medical complications like ectopic pregnancies is the most hilarious spin I’ve ever seen with “Christians” running to defend it claiming “abortion is healthcare”.
They always conflated them, we just didn't know because the idea that over 99% of abortions in the US are purely elective was too monstrous to imagine.
It also shows that they have never actually listened to anyone pro life.
Far from being a problem, what we have is a gun benefit; if you exclude just a few black areas like Chicago and Baltimore our murder rate is lower than all of Europe.
the whole interview was a setup.
they looked for a punching bag of a debater and found one. jon stewart was prepped, the idiot he debated was not. anyone who was actually prepared could easily defuse this stupid propaganda piece.
also, jon stewart is a racist piece of shit.
This is how stewart did business back on the Daily Show, too.
He would find a weak opponent to beat up on, and then rig it even more in his favor with editing.
He only had on actually intelligent Republicans a couple times, and they whupped his ass. John Yoo owned him. Cliff May got Stewart to admit that he thought Harry Truman was a war criminal, which he immediately had to retract and apologize for even though it's what he truly believes.
John Leibowitz being dishonest and using things for the sake of propaganda? Who could have seen that coming.
Jon Stewart was always propaganda...but I remember when he at least wasn't such an asshole, and when the stuff he was pushing propaganda for wasn't so deranged (some was even good), and when he at least made more of an effort to make a compelling argument.
This new Jon Stewart is a complete and utter embarrassment to the old Jon Stewart, who already had some serious issues. Fuck Jon Stewart.
John Stewart used to be a jester, now he's a clown.
I could stomach propaganda, if they are least made it entertaining. The Colbert Report was pure propaganda, but it at least made me laugh regardless.
Now its just anger and outrage, trying to shame and embarrass me into agreeing with them.
Colbert ran his show like we were all in on the joke, while his Late Show is nothing but invincible smugness.
>Jon Leibowitz
>dishonest
You will know them by their fruits -- Matthew 7:15
It's an extremely weak argument showing how desperately unstable his current position is. The left that still have a few braincells working know that they have lost on guns thanks to crime rates as that has caused more people to aquire them for self defence.
They also can see the massive backlash that is spreading thanks to their match to sexualize kids which is destroying their hold on education. And the trans 'debate' is losing ground so much that you even have centre left guys like Dev mocking it. Not to mention that activists have pissed off so many different groups that the few people actually with gender dysphoria are siding with conservatives for self preservation.
It's a desperate play that can be counted by this than your well structured rebuttal: when was the last time guns groomed and raped a child?
It really was dishonest, entirely. What a faggot pedo.
He’s running the same political grift he did yesteryear, he’s just forgot to add the comedy
And by comedy you mean say something in an exasperated way and then make a silly face at the camera.
And yet this simple skillset is something that Trevor Noah could never master.
I don't want my enemies to have free speech, and I'm not giving up my guns.
i wonder if they ever think it's odd that the only way statistics are in their corner is if they lie and distort them.
Just trust the science, chud.
This is fake, everyone knows that all those causes actually dropped to zero and were replaced by Covid.
No, I think Jon is on to something here. We need common sense tranny control.
You could also make that argument to ban everything and anything. "You know what allows people to commit these attrocities? Hands. I'm proposing a mass ban of hands, starting with everyone but myself. Pay me"
He's an intellectually dishonest piece of shit. Imagine my shock.
40% of trannies commit suicide
What % of kids die to school shootings?