we are defending not just Ukrainian independence, but we're defecting a rule – we are defending a rules-based system that says, might doesn't make right, you can't just extinguish your neighbor.
Ah, got it. What does a "rules-based system" say about an anti-Russian alliance making promises that it will not grow and then it spends the next 20 years growing? Your style of "diplomacy" literally caused this by recruiting all of Russia's neighbors into an alliance against it.
False. The US doesn't give the orders. I know this is difficult for you to comprehend, but the "rules based international order" is a product of the collaborative efforts of the US, EU, and commonwealth countries, plus some other modern democracies like Japan, all coming together and establishing a consensus. No 1 country dictates to the others.
With the understanding that their US-taxpayer-funded defense capabilities can be revoked on a whim if they reach the wrong consensus.
Name 1 case where that has ever happened.
Europe tells America "jump" and the Democrats say "how high?" When a Republican is in office the Euros generally don't ask because they hate republicans with a passion. I doubt they could even stomach being in the same room as Trump.
plunging Europe into an assured cold winter rather than a very likely one?
The winter already happened and Europe was just fine. Stop repeating the Russian propaganda narrative after it has been proven false.
Nord Stream 2 was never in operation and was never going to be.
Germany and other countries went on a buying spree last August which eliminated any chance of shortages, hence why you saw news stories of energy prices spiking at that time. Those prices came back down before the pipeline blew up.
the "rules based international order" is a product of the collaborative efforts of the US, EU, and commonwealth countries, plus some other modern democracies like Japan, all coming together and establishing a consensus.
The consensus of a gang that represents 1/6 of the world's population.
No 1 country dictates to the others.
Just a few weeks ago, you were bragging about how the US was dictating to Turkey by denying F-15 sales if it would block EU membership for Finland and Sweden. And you know full well what happened with the Nord Stream pipeline, but Germany can't object because it is an occupied country and not a sovereign state.
The consensus of a gang that represents 1/6 of the world's population.
Maybe? But they represent the large majority of the world's economic and military power, which is what counts. The large poor populations in some parts of the world have essentially no involvement in world politics.
Just a few weeks ago, you were bragging about how the US was dictating to Turkey by denying F-15 sales if it would block EU membership for Finland and Sweden.
The US has leverage over Turkey specifically by denying it access to our weapons if it acts against our interests, but that is not "dictating" since Turkey still has a choice, a choice it exercised against us quite recently by choosing to buy Russian weapons.
And you know full well what happened with the Nord Stream pipeline
Yes, Russia blew it up on Putin's orders in order to try to create a rift between the EU and US. His plan failed.
Maybe? But they represent the large majority of the world's economic and military power, which is what counts. The large poor populations in some parts of the world have essentially no involvement in world politics.
So the Western imperialists.
The US has leverage over Turkey specifically by denying it access to our weapons if it acts against our interests, but that is not "dictating" since Turkey still has a choice
LOL! "You have the choice to obey us or be glassed." That is STILL A CHOICE!
Yes, Russia blew it up on Putin's orders in order to try to create a rift between the EU and US. His plan failed.
Always blaming other people for your own crimes. See, you pretend to oppose Biden and then still run interference for his terrorism and act of war.
Ok comrade, where are their colonies? Imperialism requires colonies. The only arguably colonizing power these days is Communist China and its sneaky colonization efforts in Africa.
LOL! "You have the choice to obey us or be glassed." That is STILL A CHOICE!
I assume you aren't comparing denying F-15s to nuke threats, but thanks for reminding me of how Russia does diplomacy.
Always blaming other people for your own crimes. See, you pretend to oppose Biden and then still run interference for his terrorism and act of war.
You insisting on it really hard doesn't make it true. Just like when Russia murdered all those Azov POWs and then lied and said it was HIMARS.
I like how you are so paranoid about RUSSIA RUSSIA RUSSIA that you call random people "comrade", even though Russia isn't even communist anymore.
Imperialism requires colonies. The only arguably colonizing power these days is Communist China and its sneaky colonization efforts in Africa.
Oh, so you recognize what China does as colonization. Then America has colonized basically the entire world. Hell, I read an excerpt from Pompeo's book where he argued that the US had the right to intervene in Venezuela because of the MONROE DOCTRINE.
I assume you aren't comparing denying F-15s to nuke threats, but thanks for reminding me of how Russia does diplomacy.
The same logic holds. Hey, you chose of your own free will to obey rather than be nuked! No coercion here.
You insisting on it really hard doesn't make it true. Just like when Russia murdered all those Azov POWs and then lied and said it was HIMARS.
I mean, you're a neocon, so...
But at least you're one of the duped rather than one of the dupers. You actually believe the buzzwords they throw out.
an anti-Russian alliance making promises that it will not grow
No such promise was ever made.
Even if it was, since Russia did not give anything in exchange, any such promise would not be enforceable.
Russia caused the NATO expansion by acting like a warmonger and bullying its neighbors.
Your style of "diplomacy" literally caused this by recruiting all of Russia's neighbors into an alliance against it.
cool. cool. cool. not true at all, of course, but I'm happy with the outcome: Russia's imperial ambitions dying on the fields of Ukraine. If you want to believe that was all some 4d chess from the West, you go ahead and believe it. Russia will still be crippled and a has-been and your copes won't matter.
Russia will still be crippled and a has-been and your copes won't matter.
You're a special kind of stupid. You're never a has-been when you possess a massive nuclear arsenal.
Ask yourself what the US would do if Russia decided to gift a dozen nukes each to Iran and Syria. Fuck all, because if they kill a single Russian soldier they risk nuclear war. Russia could glass most major US cities, and at that point it doesn't matter if the US could "win" when we're all dead.
Our meddling in the politics of Russia's neighbors had brought us closer to nuclear war than we have been since height of the Cold War.
It’s crazy to see someone twist themselves into pretzels trying to justify their continued belief that the Zionist faggot tranny niggerloving Iraq-invading American empire represents the good guys.
I remember a lot of left wing sites bashing her when he was a guest on the view and criticized crt. But I guess she is saying the right thing here to get left wing praise
She's right. One of the biggest reasons to nut punch Putin and help Ukraine is to send a message to China/Xi. Just like how nuking Japan sent a message to Stalin to not fuck around.
Russia is a dying wannabe empire no matter what. China is the true threat of this century. Anything we can do to punish and deter China is worth doing.
Was she also right that invading another country unprovoked is a war crime... which is exactly what she did?
Russia is a dying wannabe empire no matter what. China is the true threat of this century. Anything we can do to punish and deter China is worth doing.
Good thing the US made Russia a permanent ally (really a vassal) to China then. Let's see you try to deny oil and resources to China now with the economic terrorism you call sanctions.
Was she also right that invading another country unprovoked is a war crime.
Depends on the circumstances. Not all invasions are wars of evil, naked, empire-building aggression like Putin's invasion of Ukraine. Some invasions can be wholly righteous and justified.
Good thing the US made Russia a permanent ally (really a vassal) to China then.
That was inevitable. Allowing Putin to act like store brand Hitler would not have changed that.
Let's see you try to deny oil and resources to China now
It will be super easy, barely an inconvenience.
Russia can't supply all of China's energy and resource needs. The vast majority of China's needs come by sea, which can be blocked far away from China's shores where it can't project any significant power.
Depends on the circumstances. Not all invasions are wars of evil, naked, empire-building aggression like Putin's invasion of Ukraine. Some invasions can be wholly righteous and justified.
Evil, naked, empire-building aggression like the war in Iraq. Some invasions are justified, but very few to none of American invasions were.
That was inevitable. Allowing Putin to act like store brand Hitler would not have changed that.
If he actually were like Hitler, your Ukrainian allies would worship him. Like they worship the American imperialists. But again, you try to justify your own massive geopolitical failure by pretending that it's "inevitable". It's fine with me, you'll just keep owning yourself like that.
Russia can't supply all of China's energy and resource needs. The vast majority of China's needs come by sea
Ah yes, that great sea that divides China from Russia. Obviously, they need not come by sea. And your economic terrorism is not going to work against China.
While I hope that Taiwan does not lose, I do hope that America loses... because it ruins every country in its empire.
Evil, naked, empire-building aggression like the war in Iraq.
Except Iraq is an independent country and not a colony/vassal of the US.
Some invasions are justified, but very few to none of American invasions were.
That's what a Russian would say, I guess.
If he actually were like Hitler, your Ukrainian allies would worship him. Like they worship the American imperialists.
Yawn. Did a New Guy™ take over the Antonio social media account at the FSB contractor's office?
Ah yes, that great sea that divides China from Russia. Obviously, they need not come by sea.
Allow me to repeat myself: Russia can't supply all of China's energy and resource needs. China imports Crude Petroleum ($150B) primarily from: Saudi Arabia ($24.7B), Russia ($23.8B), Iraq ($16.9B), Angola ($12.1B), and Brazil ($11.4B). Russia represents only 17 percent of China’s energy imports, but 35% of Russia's exports. China's biggest import trade partners are Japan ($133B), South Korea ($131B), United States ($122B), Germany ($106B), and Taiwan ($104B).
So yes, nearly all of China's foreign trade needs to come by sea.
While I hope that Taiwan does not lose
I always wondered why Russia secretly hopes "Taiwan does not lose". But it is pretty obvious that if China succeeds in conquering Taiwan, its next target for expansion will be Russia. And while Russia can threaten nukes all it wants, it won't do shit as China conquers the whole Russian Far East.
Given the poor performance of Russia against Ukraine, it should be exceedingly obvious that the far more economically powerful & higher population China could stomp the Russian military quite easily. Sure, they'd take a lot of casualties, too (unlike the West), but the CCP gives 0 fucks about losing a little population.
Except Iraq is an independent country and not a colony/vassal of the US.
It's nominally independent like Poland in the Warsaw Pact. In reality, like Europe, it follows the commands of its overlords.
That's what a Russian would say, I guess.
That's what anyone who isn't a neocon would say.
Yawn. Did a New Guy™ take over the Antonio social media account at the FSB contractor's office?
LOL! Hard to believe that you don't realize that this sort of thing just makes you look absolutely ridiculous.
Allow me to repeat myself: Russia can't supply all of China's energy and resource needs. China imports Crude Petroleum ($150B) primarily from: Saudi Arabia ($24.7B), Russia ($23.8B), Iraq ($16.9B), Angola ($12.1B), and Brazil ($11.4B). Russia represents only 17 percent of China’s energy imports, but 35% of Russia's exports.
So there's an immense amount of room for growth, particularly if the Chinese start expanding the Siberian infrastructure for oil pipelines. I know that you want to cope in order to make yourself believe that you're going to be able to strangle China, but it ain't gonna work.
I always wondered why Russia secretly hopes "Taiwan does not lose".
Beyond parody.
But it is pretty obvious that if China succeeds in conquering Taiwan, its next target for expansion will be Russia. And while Russia can threaten nukes all it wants, it won't do shit as China conquers the whole Russian Far East.
I won't insult your intelligence by suggesting that you actually believe what you just wrote. Obviously, no one is attacking Russia in the east for those wastelands.
Sure, they'd take a lot of casualties, too (unlike the West), but the CCP gives 0 fucks about losing a little population.
Again, you pretend to oppose Biden and yet pretend that he is some sort of great humanitarian in the mold of Albert Schweitzer, rather than the bloodthirsty, cynical Machiavellian that he - and all your other politicians - are.
In reality, like Europe, it follows the commands of its overlords.
They don't listen to us and don't even like us. They just want the free money and help we give them. The moment they don't need us for pew pew anymore they'll kick us out like ingrates.
you look absolutely ridiculous.
Says the guy who talks like ChatGPT trained on Cold War commie propaganda pamphlets.
So there's an immense amount of room for growth
Not really, because of logistics. Russia's natural resources are spread out over a huge area. Some are by China and sold to China, some are by Europe and sold to Europe. Russia cannot simply or easily switch the Europe resources to China. How do you propose Russia sell natural gas to China without having any pipeline set up to do so? And not being able to simply build a pipeline to do so because the distances are so vast that it wouldn't be economical? Anyway I remember reading about this before so I just googled it. Article discussing the issues with Russia's pivot to China: https://www.csis.org/analysis/can-russia-execute-gas-pivot-asia
"Russia typically sells 160 to 200 bcm to Europe on an annual basis. With existing infrastructure, Russia could deliver 80 bcm to Asia.. Russia could expand its pipeline exports to China, although the big prize, Power of Siberia 2, faces uncertain prospects. Russia is unlikely to sell as much gas to Asia as it does to Europe now. But it could close the gap; it is possible to imagine scenarios where Russia sells 100 to 120 bcm to Asia by 2030. This would be a remarkable accomplishment given where Russia was a decade ago... China pays far less for Russian gas than Europe does. It even pays less to Russia than to central Asian suppliers... More importantly, Russia’s market share in Asia will remain small. China, Japan, Korea, and Taiwan each got less than 10 percent of its LNG from Russia in 2021. Even when Power of Siberia reaches its full capacity, China might import less than 10 percent of its gas needs from Russia (Chinese demand in 2021 was roughly 367 bcm and is growing rapidly). Russia will never have market power in Asia, certainly not compared to its dominant position in the European market. The gas pivot from Europe to Asia will work, but it is not a one-to-one shift by any means."
Obviously, no one is attacking Russia in the east for those wastelands.
China has imperial ambitions and is hungry for resources. The Far East has a disproportionate amount of natural resources, which is why Imperial Japan originally wanted to conquer it.
the bloodthirsty, cynical Machiavellian that he - and all your other politicians - are.
You're talking about a man who walks into the bathroom and forgets why he went there.
Ah, got it. What does a "rules-based system" say about an anti-Russian alliance making promises that it will not grow and then it spends the next 20 years growing? Your style of "diplomacy" literally caused this by recruiting all of Russia's neighbors into an alliance against it.
The "rules-based international order" is a system where imperialists in the US make the rules and give the orders.
TRADE OFFER
I get: grossly inflated LNG profits.
You get: a blown up pipeline.
False. The US doesn't give the orders. I know this is difficult for you to comprehend, but the "rules based international order" is a product of the collaborative efforts of the US, EU, and commonwealth countries, plus some other modern democracies like Japan, all coming together and establishing a consensus. No 1 country dictates to the others.
Name 1 case where that has ever happened.
Europe tells America "jump" and the Democrats say "how high?" When a Republican is in office the Euros generally don't ask because they hate republicans with a passion. I doubt they could even stomach being in the same room as Trump.
Does the destruction of nordstream 2 count, thus plunging Europe into an assured cold winter rather than a very likely one?
The winter already happened and Europe was just fine. Stop repeating the Russian propaganda narrative after it has been proven false.
Nord Stream 2 was never in operation and was never going to be.
Germany and other countries went on a buying spree last August which eliminated any chance of shortages, hence why you saw news stories of energy prices spiking at that time. Those prices came back down before the pipeline blew up.
This is true.....
The consensus of a gang that represents 1/6 of the world's population.
Just a few weeks ago, you were bragging about how the US was dictating to Turkey by denying F-15 sales if it would block EU membership for Finland and Sweden. And you know full well what happened with the Nord Stream pipeline, but Germany can't object because it is an occupied country and not a sovereign state.
Maybe? But they represent the large majority of the world's economic and military power, which is what counts. The large poor populations in some parts of the world have essentially no involvement in world politics.
The US has leverage over Turkey specifically by denying it access to our weapons if it acts against our interests, but that is not "dictating" since Turkey still has a choice, a choice it exercised against us quite recently by choosing to buy Russian weapons.
Yes, Russia blew it up on Putin's orders in order to try to create a rift between the EU and US. His plan failed.
So the Western imperialists.
LOL! "You have the choice to obey us or be glassed." That is STILL A CHOICE!
Always blaming other people for your own crimes. See, you pretend to oppose Biden and then still run interference for his terrorism and act of war.
Ok comrade, where are their colonies? Imperialism requires colonies. The only arguably colonizing power these days is Communist China and its sneaky colonization efforts in Africa.
I assume you aren't comparing denying F-15s to nuke threats, but thanks for reminding me of how Russia does diplomacy.
You insisting on it really hard doesn't make it true. Just like when Russia murdered all those Azov POWs and then lied and said it was HIMARS.
I like how you are so paranoid about RUSSIA RUSSIA RUSSIA that you call random people "comrade", even though Russia isn't even communist anymore.
Oh, so you recognize what China does as colonization. Then America has colonized basically the entire world. Hell, I read an excerpt from Pompeo's book where he argued that the US had the right to intervene in Venezuela because of the MONROE DOCTRINE.
The same logic holds. Hey, you chose of your own free will to obey rather than be nuked! No coercion here.
I mean, you're a neocon, so...
But at least you're one of the duped rather than one of the dupers. You actually believe the buzzwords they throw out.
The list of countries that want a word with her goes like: Iraq, Libya, Iran, Somalia, Vietnam, Korea, Chile, Argentina, Mexico, El Salvador, Cuba...
Yes, these are all shitholes, they are also all victims of her 'might doesn't equal right' unless America does it.
No such promise was ever made.
Even if it was, since Russia did not give anything in exchange, any such promise would not be enforceable.
Russia caused the NATO expansion by acting like a warmonger and bullying its neighbors.
cool. cool. cool. not true at all, of course, but I'm happy with the outcome: Russia's imperial ambitions dying on the fields of Ukraine. If you want to believe that was all some 4d chess from the West, you go ahead and believe it. Russia will still be crippled and a has-been and your copes won't matter.
You're a special kind of stupid. You're never a has-been when you possess a massive nuclear arsenal.
Ask yourself what the US would do if Russia decided to gift a dozen nukes each to Iran and Syria. Fuck all, because if they kill a single Russian soldier they risk nuclear war. Russia could glass most major US cities, and at that point it doesn't matter if the US could "win" when we're all dead.
Our meddling in the politics of Russia's neighbors had brought us closer to nuclear war than we have been since height of the Cold War.
It’s crazy to see someone twist themselves into pretzels trying to justify their continued belief that the Zionist faggot tranny niggerloving Iraq-invading American empire represents the good guys.
I remember a lot of left wing sites bashing her when he was a guest on the view and criticized crt. But I guess she is saying the right thing here to get left wing praise
She also joined in the 'Ban Bossy' movement years ago.
Suddenly, the people who were Worse then Hitler 10 years ago are now heroes, because they criticize Blumpf and Bad Russian Man.
It cracks me up to see the fawning praise of bush and Cheney. They were evil incarnate like you said
There are rules.
Rules that were broken, repeatedly.
NATO poked the bear one too many times, and now it's tired of being poked.
what tangible benefit has your precious "rules-based system" brought me in my lifetime?
She's right. One of the biggest reasons to nut punch Putin and help Ukraine is to send a message to China/Xi. Just like how nuking Japan sent a message to Stalin to not fuck around.
Russia is a dying wannabe empire no matter what. China is the true threat of this century. Anything we can do to punish and deter China is worth doing.
Was she also right that invading another country unprovoked is a war crime... which is exactly what she did?
Good thing the US made Russia a permanent ally (really a vassal) to China then. Let's see you try to deny oil and resources to China now with the economic terrorism you call sanctions.
Depends on the circumstances. Not all invasions are wars of evil, naked, empire-building aggression like Putin's invasion of Ukraine. Some invasions can be wholly righteous and justified.
That was inevitable. Allowing Putin to act like store brand Hitler would not have changed that.
It will be super easy, barely an inconvenience.
Russia can't supply all of China's energy and resource needs. The vast majority of China's needs come by sea, which can be blocked far away from China's shores where it can't project any significant power.
Evil, naked, empire-building aggression like the war in Iraq. Some invasions are justified, but very few to none of American invasions were.
If he actually were like Hitler, your Ukrainian allies would worship him. Like they worship the American imperialists. But again, you try to justify your own massive geopolitical failure by pretending that it's "inevitable". It's fine with me, you'll just keep owning yourself like that.
Ah yes, that great sea that divides China from Russia. Obviously, they need not come by sea. And your economic terrorism is not going to work against China.
While I hope that Taiwan does not lose, I do hope that America loses... because it ruins every country in its empire.
Except Iraq is an independent country and not a colony/vassal of the US.
That's what a Russian would say, I guess.
Yawn. Did a New Guy™ take over the Antonio social media account at the FSB contractor's office?
Allow me to repeat myself: Russia can't supply all of China's energy and resource needs. China imports Crude Petroleum ($150B) primarily from: Saudi Arabia ($24.7B), Russia ($23.8B), Iraq ($16.9B), Angola ($12.1B), and Brazil ($11.4B). Russia represents only 17 percent of China’s energy imports, but 35% of Russia's exports. China's biggest import trade partners are Japan ($133B), South Korea ($131B), United States ($122B), Germany ($106B), and Taiwan ($104B).
So yes, nearly all of China's foreign trade needs to come by sea.
I always wondered why Russia secretly hopes "Taiwan does not lose". But it is pretty obvious that if China succeeds in conquering Taiwan, its next target for expansion will be Russia. And while Russia can threaten nukes all it wants, it won't do shit as China conquers the whole Russian Far East.
Given the poor performance of Russia against Ukraine, it should be exceedingly obvious that the far more economically powerful & higher population China could stomp the Russian military quite easily. Sure, they'd take a lot of casualties, too (unlike the West), but the CCP gives 0 fucks about losing a little population.
It's nominally independent like Poland in the Warsaw Pact. In reality, like Europe, it follows the commands of its overlords.
That's what anyone who isn't a neocon would say.
LOL! Hard to believe that you don't realize that this sort of thing just makes you look absolutely ridiculous.
So there's an immense amount of room for growth, particularly if the Chinese start expanding the Siberian infrastructure for oil pipelines. I know that you want to cope in order to make yourself believe that you're going to be able to strangle China, but it ain't gonna work.
Beyond parody.
I won't insult your intelligence by suggesting that you actually believe what you just wrote. Obviously, no one is attacking Russia in the east for those wastelands.
Again, you pretend to oppose Biden and yet pretend that he is some sort of great humanitarian in the mold of Albert Schweitzer, rather than the bloodthirsty, cynical Machiavellian that he - and all your other politicians - are.
They don't listen to us and don't even like us. They just want the free money and help we give them. The moment they don't need us for pew pew anymore they'll kick us out like ingrates.
Says the guy who talks like ChatGPT trained on Cold War commie propaganda pamphlets.
Not really, because of logistics. Russia's natural resources are spread out over a huge area. Some are by China and sold to China, some are by Europe and sold to Europe. Russia cannot simply or easily switch the Europe resources to China. How do you propose Russia sell natural gas to China without having any pipeline set up to do so? And not being able to simply build a pipeline to do so because the distances are so vast that it wouldn't be economical? Anyway I remember reading about this before so I just googled it. Article discussing the issues with Russia's pivot to China: https://www.csis.org/analysis/can-russia-execute-gas-pivot-asia
"Russia typically sells 160 to 200 bcm to Europe on an annual basis. With existing infrastructure, Russia could deliver 80 bcm to Asia.. Russia could expand its pipeline exports to China, although the big prize, Power of Siberia 2, faces uncertain prospects. Russia is unlikely to sell as much gas to Asia as it does to Europe now. But it could close the gap; it is possible to imagine scenarios where Russia sells 100 to 120 bcm to Asia by 2030. This would be a remarkable accomplishment given where Russia was a decade ago... China pays far less for Russian gas than Europe does. It even pays less to Russia than to central Asian suppliers... More importantly, Russia’s market share in Asia will remain small. China, Japan, Korea, and Taiwan each got less than 10 percent of its LNG from Russia in 2021. Even when Power of Siberia reaches its full capacity, China might import less than 10 percent of its gas needs from Russia (Chinese demand in 2021 was roughly 367 bcm and is growing rapidly). Russia will never have market power in Asia, certainly not compared to its dominant position in the European market. The gas pivot from Europe to Asia will work, but it is not a one-to-one shift by any means."
China has imperial ambitions and is hungry for resources. The Far East has a disproportionate amount of natural resources, which is why Imperial Japan originally wanted to conquer it.
You're talking about a man who walks into the bathroom and forgets why he went there.