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"'These conflicts always come home': Condoleeza Rice gives right-wing Republicans a history lesson" (far-left outlet praising Mushroom Cloud Condi) (archive.md)
posted 3 years ago by AntonioOfVenice 3 years ago by AntonioOfVenice +17 / -0
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– TriangleGang 12 points 3 years ago +12 / -0

we are defending not just Ukrainian independence, but we're defecting a rule – we are defending a rules-based system that says, might doesn't make right, you can't just extinguish your neighbor.

Ah, got it. What does a "rules-based system" say about an anti-Russian alliance making promises that it will not grow and then it spends the next 20 years growing? Your style of "diplomacy" literally caused this by recruiting all of Russia's neighbors into an alliance against it.

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– AntonioOfVenice [S] 10 points 3 years ago +10 / -0

The "rules-based international order" is a system where imperialists in the US make the rules and give the orders.

TRADE OFFER

I get: grossly inflated LNG profits.
You get: a blown up pipeline.

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– dekachin 3 points 3 years ago +3 / -0

False. The US doesn't give the orders. I know this is difficult for you to comprehend, but the "rules based international order" is a product of the collaborative efforts of the US, EU, and commonwealth countries, plus some other modern democracies like Japan, all coming together and establishing a consensus. No 1 country dictates to the others.

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– deleted 15 points 3 years ago +15 / -0
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– dekachin 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0

With the understanding that their US-taxpayer-funded defense capabilities can be revoked on a whim if they reach the wrong consensus.

Name 1 case where that has ever happened.

Europe tells America "jump" and the Democrats say "how high?" When a Republican is in office the Euros generally don't ask because they hate republicans with a passion. I doubt they could even stomach being in the same room as Trump.

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– trump4044 5 points 3 years ago +5 / -0

The US doesn't give the orders

This is true.....

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– AntonioOfVenice [S] 4 points 3 years ago +4 / -0

the "rules based international order" is a product of the collaborative efforts of the US, EU, and commonwealth countries, plus some other modern democracies like Japan, all coming together and establishing a consensus.

The consensus of a gang that represents 1/6 of the world's population.

No 1 country dictates to the others.

Just a few weeks ago, you were bragging about how the US was dictating to Turkey by denying F-15 sales if it would block EU membership for Finland and Sweden. And you know full well what happened with the Nord Stream pipeline, but Germany can't object because it is an occupied country and not a sovereign state.

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– dekachin 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0

The consensus of a gang that represents 1/6 of the world's population.

Maybe? But they represent the large majority of the world's economic and military power, which is what counts. The large poor populations in some parts of the world have essentially no involvement in world politics.

Just a few weeks ago, you were bragging about how the US was dictating to Turkey by denying F-15 sales if it would block EU membership for Finland and Sweden.

The US has leverage over Turkey specifically by denying it access to our weapons if it acts against our interests, but that is not "dictating" since Turkey still has a choice, a choice it exercised against us quite recently by choosing to buy Russian weapons.

And you know full well what happened with the Nord Stream pipeline

Yes, Russia blew it up on Putin's orders in order to try to create a rift between the EU and US. His plan failed.

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– GeneralBoobs 6 points 3 years ago +6 / -0

The list of countries that want a word with her goes like: Iraq, Libya, Iran, Somalia, Vietnam, Korea, Chile, Argentina, Mexico, El Salvador, Cuba...

Yes, these are all shitholes, they are also all victims of her 'might doesn't equal right' unless America does it.

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– dekachin 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

an anti-Russian alliance making promises that it will not grow

  1. No such promise was ever made.

  2. Even if it was, since Russia did not give anything in exchange, any such promise would not be enforceable.

  3. Russia caused the NATO expansion by acting like a warmonger and bullying its neighbors.

Your style of "diplomacy" literally caused this by recruiting all of Russia's neighbors into an alliance against it.

cool. cool. cool. not true at all, of course, but I'm happy with the outcome: Russia's imperial ambitions dying on the fields of Ukraine. If you want to believe that was all some 4d chess from the West, you go ahead and believe it. Russia will still be crippled and a has-been and your copes won't matter.

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– TriangleGang 10 points 3 years ago +10 / -0

Russia will still be crippled and a has-been and your copes won't matter.

You're a special kind of stupid. You're never a has-been when you possess a massive nuclear arsenal.

Ask yourself what the US would do if Russia decided to gift a dozen nukes each to Iran and Syria. Fuck all, because if they kill a single Russian soldier they risk nuclear war. Russia could glass most major US cities, and at that point it doesn't matter if the US could "win" when we're all dead.

Our meddling in the politics of Russia's neighbors had brought us closer to nuclear war than we have been since height of the Cold War.

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– Rezlung 10 points 3 years ago +10 / -0

It’s crazy to see someone twist themselves into pretzels trying to justify their continued belief that the Zionist faggot tranny niggerloving Iraq-invading American empire represents the good guys.

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