I don't give a fuck what happens to Ukraine. I just want my government to stop spending my tax dollars to bankroll someone else's war when we have so many people struggling right here at home.
The West can't afford to be the world's welfare state. Truthfully, we never could.
I have a feeling, though, that the Ukrainian worship of buttsex activists is an import from the US, and not generated locally. All the more reason to root for Russia.
I'm giving this an upvote for the effort and the spark for a conversation. I think the title assumes that everyone here holds one particular view. There is only one retard who is hyperventilating about "MEN GETTING KILLED IN A WOMEN'S WAR!!!!"
One thing that has become apparent throughout the course of this war is that everyone in Eastern Europe that isn't in Russia or Belarus, even those trying to escape conscription, will not agree to a negotiation until Russia leaves Ukraine (and by that, they mean not only Donetsk and Luhansk, but also Crimea).
So because they have unreasonable demands, the corrupt West has to sink weapons and treasure into "Ukraine", and get a generation of Ukrainians killed, so that their unreasonable demands are satisfied, rather than that they be snapped out of it by the realities of the world?
To men in Eastern Europe, this is as serious to them as a world war, and they bring up angry memories of when Russia invaded the country of Georgia in 2008 and Chechnya earlier on in the 1990s into the early 2000s.
Chechnya is part of Russia. It is no "invasion". This point is nuts. Particularly when you portray the Georgian aggression against South Ossetia and Abkhazia as a Russian invasion. You may want to read up on that.
How come Chechnya has a right to secede from Russia, but SO and Abkhazia do not have a right to secede from Georgia, and the Donbas and Crimea have no right to secede from that corrupt puppet non-country?
after which Ukrainians and those in Eastern Europe will be willing to negotiate with Russia an end to the conflict.
Or... hear me out. Let Russia kick the crap out of that corrupt puppet non-country, and then they'll either negotiate or face occupation.
Cutting off the flow of weapons leaves Ukrainian troops without more powerful weapons, allowing Russian troops to advance.
So?
Regarding the possibility of Ukrainian troops striking inside Russia: they are already doing that, the threats from Russia that they'll retaliate are largely meant to intimidate and they would have done it by now if they really were as well equipped as they claim. Russia doesn't have as much capacity to strike as they claim.
Utter madness. "The bear didn't strike back the first time, so keep poking the bear!"
There will be increased chance of war in the decades to come as the west is seen as weak and appeasing Russia
Appeasing Russia? What does the corrupt, child-mutilating, warmongering West have to do with Soviet constituent republics to begin with? It's no more appeasement of Russia than Europe permitting the US to hold on to the territories it occupied in the Mexican-American War.
Not one thing Russian media says or repeats can be trusted, you will not get an accurate picture of this conflict by reading what is said in Russian media.
Agreed, but your problem is that you blindly trust what the corrupt Western media says.
Hungary is basically aligned with Russia
Earlier, you claimed the following:
"One thing that has become apparent throughout the course of this war is that everyone in Eastern Europe that isn't in Russia or Belarus, even those trying to escape conscription, will not agree to a negotiation until Russia leaves Ukraine"
Russians will likely capture Kyiv and slaughter every Ukrainian man they find across the country.
This is pretty crazy, to be honest. If they want a useless, depopulated desert, they can do it within 5 minutes.
After that, Russia, China and North Korea will be more emboldened to attack the west and pursue invasions that result in an increased chance of a world war in the years and decades to come.
Appeasing Russia? What does the corrupt, child-mutilating, warmongering West have to do with Soviet constituent republics to begin with? It's no more appeasement of Russia than Europe permitting the US to hold on to the territories it occupied in the Mexican-American War.
I think this is key. What's worse: Americans keeping their hands out of another countries business or Americans involving themselves in a war on behalf of a non-ally, then losing?
China really only cares abouy Taiwan because they think America could use it as a forward base to interfere in their domestic affairs. Do you think they'll be reassured by the US fighting a proxy war against Russia through Ukraine?
Important to remember too that this isn't Israel fighting a bunch of sand niggers. Russia once had one of the most powerful militaries in the world and, even though they've declined, they've been fighting conflicts for years. They have veteran forces where Ukraine was newly trained greenhorns. As we learned in Afghanistan, just giving the locals your fancy weapons does not win a war.
If the US goes all in on Ukraine, and doesn't win, China will definitely go after Taiwan and maybe even Japanese territory. If they do win, they'll waste trillions of dollars and years of public war exhaustion; no one is going to want a conflict with China after this, just to protect some island in the pacific, assuming China waits that long.
What's worse: Americans keeping their hands out of another countries business or Americans involving themselves in a war on behalf of a non-ally, then losing?
If you want to engage in ruthless geopolitics, then the second can be superior. If you believe that Russia is your enemy (which it's not, America made it one), and put weakening Russia above everything else, then it certainly can be worth it.
China really only cares abouy Taiwan because they think America could use it as a forward base to interfere in their domestic affairs. Do you think they'll be reassured by the US fighting a proxy war against Russia through Ukraine?
Yeah, I find it rather unlikely that China will be deterred. The best way to deter China, in my view at least, is to not worsen the situation for China. Shipping massive amounts of weapons to Taiwan will make it a now or never like it did for Russia.
They have veteran forces where Ukraine was newly trained greenhorns
I actually disagree. Ukraine has had 800,000 men spending the past 9 years terrorizing the Donbas. In total, not any given year. So there are a lot of men with military experience, though mostly shelling defenseless civilians. Russia has had low-footprint wars in Syria, and a pseudo-war in Chechnya against non-entities. So Ukraine definitely gets the + there.
If its not a.i, it's a.i assisted. I've rarely seen such extraordinary grasping and shameful rhetoric performed with such precision and care before.
AI may sound impressive, but it does not have precision and care. And while I disagree with this guy, and think that the mistake of Ukrainian statehood needs to be ended, I'm glad to hear a counter-argument to what 99% of people here believe.
Apparently, giving Ukraine all our weapons and money until the west has no money or weapons is a good way to prepare the west for the inevitable conflict it was always going to have to contend with regardless who wins or loses in Ukraine.
If you only care about weakening Russia, and don't care about the civilian consequences, the possibility of World War, and inflation and misery in Europe (and our ruling classes most certainly do not), then they are following the right course of action.
For ordinary people, anti-Russia is a psychosis. For the ruling class, it is crafty politics.
There's no way to stop the slaughter except Zelensky's handler growing a conscience, and that's about as likely as Zelensky bolting wings to his arms and running around screaming "I'm a fighter jet!"
More death and more riches for female defence CEOs.
Maybe we can buy up those defense companies and replace the CEOs with men, so that the "women in power" will suddenly desist from being lackeys for the MIC.
They stopped caring what happened after they got their own people out.
Who got out?
Remember when you said that misogyny laws would never happen?
I did? I may have, or I may have disputed your particularly retarded idea - like your claims about AstraZeneca being mandated, or people going in for Pfizer receiving AstraZeneca, or the 'male curfew', or the 90% death rate you were so sure would result from the vaccine.
Now Rishi has decreed that no one under the age of 50 will receive a booster. HE HAS ESCAPED FROM HIS HANDLER! PROTECT HIM AT ALL COSTS! WOMEN EVERYWHERE WILL TRY TO KILL HIM FOR HIS INSUBORDINATION!
And no, given that Boris Johnson's handler was exposed, I think I have more credibility than the Nazi wannabes ranting about how if you don't support male genocide, you're sexist.
Also, nothing suits women's agenda more than forcing men to die while their own are spared.
I don't give a fuck what happens to Ukraine. I just want my government to stop spending my tax dollars to bankroll someone else's war when we have so many people struggling right here at home.
The West can't afford to be the world's welfare state. Truthfully, we never could.
To be honest, this war isn't one that can end with Ukraine 'winning'
It ends with seeing how far up the escalation ladder Russia had to go to end it whether through conventional force to nuclear strike.
As much as people hate Obama, this is exactly what he said to the neocon warmonger Jeffrey Goldberg when leaving office.
Russia cares more about Ukraine than the US does, so it will always be able to establish escalatory dominance.
Go back to peddit you retarded faggot.
I won't affect me in the slightest if the ukraine is depopulated, and to Russia 100k men dying in some stupid conflict is Tuesday. Not our fight.
I support Russia because they don't have buttsex parades.
This is my opinion, almost exactly!
I have a feeling, though, that the Ukrainian worship of buttsex activists is an import from the US, and not generated locally. All the more reason to root for Russia.
Nuke Ukraine and nuke your servers. War over, no more problems.
Nuke the evidence...
You must fuel the war in order to stop the war. Literally the worst logic around.
Guys to stop the fire we need to add more firewood to it!
I'm giving this an upvote for the effort and the spark for a conversation. I think the title assumes that everyone here holds one particular view. There is only one retard who is hyperventilating about "MEN GETTING KILLED IN A WOMEN'S WAR!!!!"
So because they have unreasonable demands, the corrupt West has to sink weapons and treasure into "Ukraine", and get a generation of Ukrainians killed, so that their unreasonable demands are satisfied, rather than that they be snapped out of it by the realities of the world?
Chechnya is part of Russia. It is no "invasion". This point is nuts. Particularly when you portray the Georgian aggression against South Ossetia and Abkhazia as a Russian invasion. You may want to read up on that.
How come Chechnya has a right to secede from Russia, but SO and Abkhazia do not have a right to secede from Georgia, and the Donbas and Crimea have no right to secede from that corrupt puppet non-country?
Or... hear me out. Let Russia kick the crap out of that corrupt puppet non-country, and then they'll either negotiate or face occupation.
So?
Utter madness. "The bear didn't strike back the first time, so keep poking the bear!"
Appeasing Russia? What does the corrupt, child-mutilating, warmongering West have to do with Soviet constituent republics to begin with? It's no more appeasement of Russia than Europe permitting the US to hold on to the territories it occupied in the Mexican-American War.
Agreed, but your problem is that you blindly trust what the corrupt Western media says.
Earlier, you claimed the following:
"One thing that has become apparent throughout the course of this war is that everyone in Eastern Europe that isn't in Russia or Belarus, even those trying to escape conscription, will not agree to a negotiation until Russia leaves Ukraine"
This is pretty crazy, to be honest. If they want a useless, depopulated desert, they can do it within 5 minutes.
Who will be on the other side of that world war?
I think this is key. What's worse: Americans keeping their hands out of another countries business or Americans involving themselves in a war on behalf of a non-ally, then losing?
China really only cares abouy Taiwan because they think America could use it as a forward base to interfere in their domestic affairs. Do you think they'll be reassured by the US fighting a proxy war against Russia through Ukraine?
Important to remember too that this isn't Israel fighting a bunch of sand niggers. Russia once had one of the most powerful militaries in the world and, even though they've declined, they've been fighting conflicts for years. They have veteran forces where Ukraine was newly trained greenhorns. As we learned in Afghanistan, just giving the locals your fancy weapons does not win a war.
If the US goes all in on Ukraine, and doesn't win, China will definitely go after Taiwan and maybe even Japanese territory. If they do win, they'll waste trillions of dollars and years of public war exhaustion; no one is going to want a conflict with China after this, just to protect some island in the pacific, assuming China waits that long.
If you want to engage in ruthless geopolitics, then the second can be superior. If you believe that Russia is your enemy (which it's not, America made it one), and put weakening Russia above everything else, then it certainly can be worth it.
Yeah, I find it rather unlikely that China will be deterred. The best way to deter China, in my view at least, is to not worsen the situation for China. Shipping massive amounts of weapons to Taiwan will make it a now or never like it did for Russia.
I actually disagree. Ukraine has had 800,000 men spending the past 9 years terrorizing the Donbas. In total, not any given year. So there are a lot of men with military experience, though mostly shelling defenseless civilians. Russia has had low-footprint wars in Syria, and a pseudo-war in Chechnya against non-entities. So Ukraine definitely gets the + there.
AI doesn't say that "I have talked to".
AI may sound impressive, but it does not have precision and care. And while I disagree with this guy, and think that the mistake of Ukrainian statehood needs to be ended, I'm glad to hear a counter-argument to what 99% of people here believe.
If you only care about weakening Russia, and don't care about the civilian consequences, the possibility of World War, and inflation and misery in Europe (and our ruling classes most certainly do not), then they are following the right course of action.
For ordinary people, anti-Russia is a psychosis. For the ruling class, it is crafty politics.
Haven't you? :D
What, this "guy" didn't stay up until 3 AM drafting this and the next two days revising and editing?
Say it ain't so, AI.
Jew
Ukraine can't win, I'm telling you that.
There's no way to stop the slaughter except Zelensky's handler growing a conscience, and that's about as likely as Zelensky bolting wings to his arms and running around screaming "I'm a fighter jet!"
It's not impossible, it's just extraordinarily unlikely.
By raising the stakes, they don't really alter the odds, but make the possible outcomes more extreme.
Which is exactly what the women in power want. More death and more riches for female defence CEOs.
They stopped caring what happened after they got their own people out.
Remember when you said that misogyny laws would never happen? Check the recent posts.
LOL
Maybe we can buy up those defense companies and replace the CEOs with men, so that the "women in power" will suddenly desist from being lackeys for the MIC.
Who got out?
I did? I may have, or I may have disputed your particularly retarded idea - like your claims about AstraZeneca being mandated, or people going in for Pfizer receiving AstraZeneca, or the 'male curfew', or the 90% death rate you were so sure would result from the vaccine.
Now Rishi has decreed that no one under the age of 50 will receive a booster. HE HAS ESCAPED FROM HIS HANDLER! PROTECT HIM AT ALL COSTS! WOMEN EVERYWHERE WILL TRY TO KILL HIM FOR HIS INSUBORDINATION!
Sounds like a good idea. The last time we were dragged this close to WW3, was the Cuban Missile Crisis.
I'm not arguing that the men in charge were good people, but relative to the women in charge, they are.
The female population.
A rare concession. I agree that the folks in charge in 1962 were vastly superior. But I don't think it's about women.
You think there are no women in Ukraine?
Yep. 100% agreement.
You're as insane as every feminist who claims that every non-feminist woman has internalized misogyny. You are exactly the same thing as them.
She's a fucking scriptwriter.
And no, given that Boris Johnson's handler was exposed, I think I have more credibility than the Nazi wannabes ranting about how if you don't support male genocide, you're sexist.
Also, nothing suits women's agenda more than forcing men to die while their own are spared.
Not much to brag about, even if true.