Math is a useful way to sort people by IQ. Of course you have to be willing to use that information and not allow schools to pass people who shouldn't be passed. A high school diploma might be worth something again if it required the ability to pass Algebra 2. The real problem is that we're unwilling to fail retards and completely unprepared to offer them employment that doesn't require top 30% IQ.
You could do a lot of good in the world by letting people drop out. Some 16 year olds just need to dig ditches. If they find they like it, great. If not, go get a GED. When it's on your own dime, you're basically guaranteed to be a better student.
At least half the population doesn't need High School, and far less than half of those need college. But people need a lot of heavy indoctrination to ignore the obvious reality in front of their faces and there is money in it.
Yeah, because it used to be only smart people went to college, and, surprise surprise, smart people are more productive than dumb ones.
But the dumb ones really think that a piece of paper and spending time in a building was what created that earnings potential, and an industry eager to grift was all to happy to play into the idea.
We had two horticulture classes in my high school - one was a very well-funded class ran by a professional (in part because the greenhouse they used was actually part of his business), the other had no funding whatsoever. I was in the latter. We barely grew anything ourselves, most of our year was spent setting things up for future us, like building the irrigation system for our own cheap greenhouse and tearing out stumps and bushes where we were gonna build planters. And it was all done without having somebody hovering over our shoulders.
It was the only time in my school life I remember not feeling like my soul was leaving my body. It even got me into reasonably good shape, when previously I was scrawny as fuck and couldn't be assed to work out for its own sake. Every school should have something like that. It's no wonder so many people are neurotic when they spent most of their formative years sitting on their ass doing busywork with no tangible reward.
The real problem is that we're unwilling to fail retards
From 1990 onwards, I watched the media become obsessed with pass rates. If they weren't improving, it meant the education system was failing - it was just like the idea that a business is failing if its profits don't increase year on year.
So the education system was pressured to post ever higher rates of success. First 90% pass rates. Then 99% pass rates. And now it is creeping slowly toward ever higher percentages of students with top marks.
Did the students get smarter over the years? Did the teachers get better at teaching the dullards?
Of course not. Standards simply dropped. That's all there is to it. Complete morons now walk out of school with grades that say, on paper, that they know something, when they in fact have the reading level once expected of an eight year old.
There is value in being taught by an instructor, depending of course on the instructor themselves and the amount of nonsense you have to put up with from the school. Whether that value is worth the cost of tuition is another question, and it depends a lot on how much you want/need a piece of paper saying that you know the stuff. I'm doing a master's degree right now for employment reasons, but if it was pure interest I'd stick to Youtube videos and the like.
That is pretty odd considering how much calculus uses algebra and trig. Maybe you fought with it at the lower levels and got a good understanding of the fundamentals. That would have prepared you well for calculus. The hilarious thing is how easy differential equations is compared to the harder parts of calc 2 and 3. Differential equations at my school had test averages in the 80s, while calculus classes taught by the same instructors had test averages in the 60s. Some of that was the calc classes filtering out the retards, but some if it had to do with how much easier the material is.
That could be it because I did work hard at algebra and trig. I shouldn’t say calculus was a breeze but I seemed to grasp it a lot easier. Was it a public school?
When Britain really ruled the waves –
(In good Queen Bess’s time)
The House of Peers made no pretence
To intellectual eminence,
Or scholarship sublime;
...
When Wellington thrashed Bonaparte,
As every child can tell,
The House of Peers, throughout the war,
Did nothing in particular,
And did it very well:
Why does this matter? They clearly have no aptitude and weren't going to be able to peruse it further. What's the loss if they're "put off" of it?
I agree with this when it comes to people who are too stupid/lack the aptitude to do it. That said there's a discussion to be had on how some of this is taught. Wanna know an effective way to turn someone off statistics? Make them find the median of 30 unordered numbers by hand. That's what they had me do during the stats portion of one of my middle school math classes. It's one thing to use less tedious examples to teach the concept, but making people do problems like that when a computer would do them in the real world is a good way to make people hate the topic regardless of aptitude or IQ.
Math is oppression. We're all individuals, we should be able to choose! What if I'm not interested in math! You shouldn't force people to study things they don't like!
Now please hand in your race communism homework, and follow me to the mandatory gender and degeneracy class where today we're practicing our hatred of the old and building our activist rage.
Good morning bodies, let's start by praising the empire ideology with the rainbow song!
Math is a useful way to sort people by IQ. Of course you have to be willing to use that information and not allow schools to pass people who shouldn't be passed. A high school diploma might be worth something again if it required the ability to pass Algebra 2. The real problem is that we're unwilling to fail retards and completely unprepared to offer them employment that doesn't require top 30% IQ.
You could do a lot of good in the world by letting people drop out. Some 16 year olds just need to dig ditches. If they find they like it, great. If not, go get a GED. When it's on your own dime, you're basically guaranteed to be a better student.
At least half the population doesn't need High School, and far less than half of those need college. But people need a lot of heavy indoctrination to ignore the obvious reality in front of their faces and there is money in it.
"bUt PeOpLe WhO gO tO cOlLeGe MaKe MoRe MoNeY"
Yeah, because it used to be only smart people went to college, and, surprise surprise, smart people are more productive than dumb ones.
But the dumb ones really think that a piece of paper and spending time in a building was what created that earnings potential, and an industry eager to grift was all to happy to play into the idea.
Most of the ditch diggers I've spoken too have been far happier than I am.
We had two horticulture classes in my high school - one was a very well-funded class ran by a professional (in part because the greenhouse they used was actually part of his business), the other had no funding whatsoever. I was in the latter. We barely grew anything ourselves, most of our year was spent setting things up for future us, like building the irrigation system for our own cheap greenhouse and tearing out stumps and bushes where we were gonna build planters. And it was all done without having somebody hovering over our shoulders.
It was the only time in my school life I remember not feeling like my soul was leaving my body. It even got me into reasonably good shape, when previously I was scrawny as fuck and couldn't be assed to work out for its own sake. Every school should have something like that. It's no wonder so many people are neurotic when they spent most of their formative years sitting on their ass doing busywork with no tangible reward.
From 1990 onwards, I watched the media become obsessed with pass rates. If they weren't improving, it meant the education system was failing - it was just like the idea that a business is failing if its profits don't increase year on year.
So the education system was pressured to post ever higher rates of success. First 90% pass rates. Then 99% pass rates. And now it is creeping slowly toward ever higher percentages of students with top marks.
Did the students get smarter over the years? Did the teachers get better at teaching the dullards?
Of course not. Standards simply dropped. That's all there is to it. Complete morons now walk out of school with grades that say, on paper, that they know something, when they in fact have the reading level once expected of an eight year old.
Only weird thing with math for me was that I had to work hard to get a low B in trig, algebra, and geometry, but calculus seemed to come naturally.
It wouldn’t surprise me if they did away with math altogether in the name of equity
Then everyone will wonder why people are so dumb
If those kids in the future could read they'd be very upset.
But the knowledge is there. They can go on YouTube and learn math or get books from library
There is value in being taught by an instructor, depending of course on the instructor themselves and the amount of nonsense you have to put up with from the school. Whether that value is worth the cost of tuition is another question, and it depends a lot on how much you want/need a piece of paper saying that you know the stuff. I'm doing a master's degree right now for employment reasons, but if it was pure interest I'd stick to Youtube videos and the like.
I totally agree. Im saying if math ever gets phased out those who were motivated could supplement their learning.
That is pretty odd considering how much calculus uses algebra and trig. Maybe you fought with it at the lower levels and got a good understanding of the fundamentals. That would have prepared you well for calculus. The hilarious thing is how easy differential equations is compared to the harder parts of calc 2 and 3. Differential equations at my school had test averages in the 80s, while calculus classes taught by the same instructors had test averages in the 60s. Some of that was the calc classes filtering out the retards, but some if it had to do with how much easier the material is.
That could be it because I did work hard at algebra and trig. I shouldn’t say calculus was a breeze but I seemed to grasp it a lot easier. Was it a public school?
It was. I took some at a community college and some at a university, and both were public.
Well, that explains parliament then
I agree with this when it comes to people who are too stupid/lack the aptitude to do it. That said there's a discussion to be had on how some of this is taught. Wanna know an effective way to turn someone off statistics? Make them find the median of 30 unordered numbers by hand. That's what they had me do during the stats portion of one of my middle school math classes. It's one thing to use less tedious examples to teach the concept, but making people do problems like that when a computer would do them in the real world is a good way to make people hate the topic regardless of aptitude or IQ.
Math is oppression. We're all individuals, we should be able to choose! What if I'm not interested in math! You shouldn't force people to study things they don't like!
Now please hand in your race communism homework, and follow me to the mandatory gender and degeneracy class where today we're practicing our hatred of the old and building our activist rage.
Good morning bodies, let's start by praising the empire ideology with the rainbow song!
The way you know for certain that she is gaslighting you, is that her article does NOT mention at all the real root of the problem.
The current educational system is a failure and is unsuccessful at teaching children even the most basic Math.
Extending Math instruction to age 18, will not solve that structural flaw.
once again the inclusive and tolerant left having zero faith in children.
color me genuinely shocked.
Rely more and more on the little computer in your pocket until you're completely reliable and addicted to it.
Then when they start pushing bullshit like 2+2=5 the general population are too retarded to argue against it
Having a poor understanding of math is how we have flat earth retards.
oy vey the native population couldn't do math, time to import more pajeets