We'll let them join. Hell, we want them to join. At this point it's less about a military alliance against Russia and more about surrounding them with declared enemies to enforce that they are a pariah state.
The real question is what is this supposed to accomplish? NATO was a military alliance opposing the Soviet Union. After the end of communism, Russia had neither the means nor the desire to conquer Western Europe, yet NATO continued to grow. Certainly, relations have soured and both sides are at fault, but having a military alliance that is basically every other country in Europe versus Russia is unnecessary and petty.
Which is stupid. "An attack on one is an attack on all" works both ways.
There's nothing that says Russia has to wait for the rest of NATO to declare war or mobilize against it if it gets into a border skirmish with Finland, or Poland, or Latvia, or... They have ample justification to immediately glass DC and London at the first sign of hostilities as NATO's slogon means in for a penny, in for a pound. Nobody wins in a nuclear war, so setting up a tripwire to start one is like shooting yourself in the foot.
One would think that the US and other Western European powers wouldn't want to put so much risk of another world war in the hands of a bunch of bum-fuck Eastern European countries. Unless they plan on reneging on the pact (which is absolutely something the US would do if it suits them). The problem is that Russia has no way of knowing when they will follow through and when they won't.
The reason they wouldn't nuke London or DC is because both nations would have a nuclear response. So unless they have a Red Alert mind control phone nukes would be suicide.
As would be a conventional war with NATO, who would most assuredly impose "regime change" on Russia after fucking them up nicely.
Given that probability, the most effective defensive strategy is to to say "if any of your new flunkies fuck with me I'll kill us all". Mutually assured destruction kept the peace during the cold war.
The most effective defensive strategy would be to get into bed with China and India and cut the West out. The West entirely relies on China for manufacturing and India is quickly becoming a major player in the drug world.
The West cannot afford to lose those two as trading parties and China and India would love Russian gas.
Also worth pointing out that "900 miles of of unprotected border" is unprotected because it is effectively impassible terrain. Its all swamp, bogs, and taiga forest. Even reindeer dont move through there. The only part of the border that matters is the one near Karelia, just like in 1939.
Now, now, they won the Winter War. Sure they had high casualities, but the Soviets were always weirdly ok with that since comminists arent people, theyre property of the state. Then the Germans helped with the Continuation War, and you were kind of dicks to Mr. Taurni afterwards.
disband nato
We'll let them join. Hell, we want them to join. At this point it's less about a military alliance against Russia and more about surrounding them with declared enemies to enforce that they are a pariah state.
The real question is what is this supposed to accomplish? NATO was a military alliance opposing the Soviet Union. After the end of communism, Russia had neither the means nor the desire to conquer Western Europe, yet NATO continued to grow. Certainly, relations have soured and both sides are at fault, but having a military alliance that is basically every other country in Europe versus Russia is unnecessary and petty.
Ironically, Turkey should also not have been allowed to join NATO.
But as I've said before, there is no reason for NATO to exist in a world where the USSR no longer exists.
The point of their inclusion isn't their military contribution but their potential function as a casus belli under the NATO agreement.
Which is stupid. "An attack on one is an attack on all" works both ways.
There's nothing that says Russia has to wait for the rest of NATO to declare war or mobilize against it if it gets into a border skirmish with Finland, or Poland, or Latvia, or... They have ample justification to immediately glass DC and London at the first sign of hostilities as NATO's slogon means in for a penny, in for a pound. Nobody wins in a nuclear war, so setting up a tripwire to start one is like shooting yourself in the foot.
One would think that the US and other Western European powers wouldn't want to put so much risk of another world war in the hands of a bunch of bum-fuck Eastern European countries. Unless they plan on reneging on the pact (which is absolutely something the US would do if it suits them). The problem is that Russia has no way of knowing when they will follow through and when they won't.
You underestimate the hubris of european so-called "leaders". And I don't mean the politicians.
They have no problem throwing a billion people to the wolves.
As far as I can tell, this is literally the plan.
The reason they wouldn't nuke London or DC is because both nations would have a nuclear response. So unless they have a Red Alert mind control phone nukes would be suicide.
As would be a conventional war with NATO, who would most assuredly impose "regime change" on Russia after fucking them up nicely.
Given that probability, the most effective defensive strategy is to to say "if any of your new flunkies fuck with me I'll kill us all". Mutually assured destruction kept the peace during the cold war.
The most effective defensive strategy would be to get into bed with China and India and cut the West out. The West entirely relies on China for manufacturing and India is quickly becoming a major player in the drug world.
The West cannot afford to lose those two as trading parties and China and India would love Russian gas.
What prevents or has prevented Russia from becoming a powerhouse in manufacturing like China?
Probably a lack of access to the sea and the fact that China already has that market cornered.
Also worth pointing out that "900 miles of of unprotected border" is unprotected because it is effectively impassible terrain. Its all swamp, bogs, and taiga forest. Even reindeer dont move through there. The only part of the border that matters is the one near Karelia, just like in 1939.
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I suspect the reason this sock puppet is so butt hurt about Finland is the world record ass-kicking they got at the hands of "The White Death".
Now, now, they won the Winter War. Sure they had high casualities, but the Soviets were always weirdly ok with that since comminists arent people, theyre property of the state. Then the Germans helped with the Continuation War, and you were kind of dicks to Mr. Taurni afterwards.
Lauri died fighting for a foreign military because the Finns were assholes.
I think I can say the Finns were dicks to their national hero, regardless of the reason.
Actually, he had to flee your country because your countrymen were assholes.
Sorry that they were assholes because someone else told them to be.