You mean the same thing the USSR did with “female snipers”?! Amazing how over a hundred years later we have never seen any female combatants as deadly as communist female snipers!
Yeah, females have been used in commie propaganda for a long time, but everyone knows that with extreeeeemly rare exception, they're useless in anything combat related.
The only legit female solider I've come across is Mariya Oktyabrskaya. She received special treatment:
Oktyabrskaya was 38 years old. She enrolled in a five-month tank training program immediately after the donation. This was unusual: usually tank crews were rushed straight to the front line with minimal training... Many of her fellow tankers saw her as a publicity stunt and a joke, but this attitude changed when Oktyabrskaya began fighting in Smolensk.
She fought and was killed in less than 3 months, from 21 October 1943 to 17 January 1944
on 17 January 1944, Oktyabrskaya fought in another night attack as part of the Leningrad–Novgorod Offensive... the tank was hit by a German anti-tank shell, again in the tracks, and was immobilized. Oktyabrskaya immediately got out of the tank and began to repair the track, but she was hit in the head by shell fragments and lost consciousness. After the battle, she was transported to a Soviet military field hospital at Fastiv, near Kiev, and then to a military hospital in Smolensk, Russia. She remained in a coma for two months before finally dying on 15 March.
The following August, Oktyabrskaya was posthumously made a Hero of the Soviet Union
She received massive special treatment and didn't deserve the HotSU at all for being a bog standard tanker, but at least she was in the shit and not a pure propaganda soldier. She actually put herself at risk and got killed for it.
There is, of course, a possibility that she was just driving with the hatch open and got clipped by arty fragments like a noob, then the propaganda ministry made up a fake story to lionize her death.
In all the other "female solider" stories I've read, the exploits of the women sound fake as shit, and clearly didn't happen, and/or the women were kept safe as propaganda soldiers, kept away from danger, had lots of protectors, and took credit for the achievements of men for propaganda purposes.
no shit, a country that sacrifices its women in combat is doomed to extinction for obvious reasons (population growth/maintenance is limited by female population, not male population).
Note that this principle applies not just to combat, but anything that decreases birthrates, which is why the west is suicidal (leftism and troonery infecting women -> plummeting birth rates)
This argument is only true if you push it to extremes. If you still have the luxury of maintaining your civilisation and not just your population you need both men and women because you need adults to provide for the economically useless children until they mature, and you need fathers to raise them as functioning human beings.
And Ukraine is nowhere near that point. Less than half a percent of the Ukrainian population has been killed or wounded - even if every single casualty was a woman, compare that to the missing 11% in China.
This argument is only true if you push it to extreme
Not even then. If pushed to the extreme, and all/most men in a country then that country is f**ked both economically (not enough people to do useful work) and militarily (not enough people to defend the country), so it really doesn't matter if that country has plenty of women to produce babies. Any babies produced will no doubt be the babies of the invaders, not the original inhabitants.
"Protecting women" as the reason for not allowing women in the military is gynocentric myth. The reality is that the main reason for only allowing men in the military is that men are physically able to do so and generally more competent; having a poor performing military, which is what would happen if there were many women in it, is probably worse than having no military.
I don't care. The draft would force me to fight. I just want equality. If women don't have to fight, men should be afforded some form of extra respect or privilege as a result.
Yes. Those that are responsible for the work and the consequences should rightfully have authority. This is what we have traditionally called The Patriarchy.
Women are children. Modern women are spoiled, misbehaving children. It is our duty as men to discipline them and put them back in line. We do all of the work. We make civilization possible. We shoulder all of the consequences. Women are for babies, families, and men's pleasure. This is simply the way of things.
[–]Ukr_mapper[S] 5 points 4 days ago
There are a lot of positions in the army, actually, on the frontline, that do not require serious physical strength, drivers, radio operators, drone operators etc. and only a very little number of positions are really hard to be staffed by women - usually special forces, but to tell the truth most men are not suitable for this kind of troops. Your opinion is a stunning example of acceptance of male disposability by society.
Dumb take. There isn't a single frontline position that doesn't have to carry a heavy load, carry an injured soldier sometimes, etc. Even drone operators. This doesn't change the fact of sexism against men.
Even in 'non-combat' positions, you have to sleep somewhere, eat something, drink water, and carry enough ammunition to operate. Then there's the gear required to actually perform your function.
I never met a woman who could carry 50% of what a man did over any distance. Not two feet, not twenty miles.
What that means in mixed units is all the men get even heavier packs because the women can barely manage to ruck with their body armor, kevlar, and rifle, let alone the other 60-80 pounds in the pack.
All that extra weight gets distributed among the squad, and still they exit after one enlistment with fucked up hips, a fucked up back, on some sort of permanent disability.
Women are a really sick joke played by God on humanity.
"So, I created these terrible people..and then I told them" barely contains laughter "That they had to live with them for the rest of their lives or go to hell!"
Women are a really sick joke played by God on humanity.
You never did tell me how you had heard of Hesiod.
"So, I created these terrible people..and then I told them"
Mark Twain once said: imagine if your neighbor had invented mosquitoes. What would your opinion of him be? Now imagine if your neighbor had invented the gender responsible for 95% of rapes and murders. Terrible people indeed.
You mean the same thing the USSR did with “female snipers”?! Amazing how over a hundred years later we have never seen any female combatants as deadly as communist female snipers!
Yeah, females have been used in commie propaganda for a long time, but everyone knows that with extreeeeemly rare exception, they're useless in anything combat related.
The only legit female solider I've come across is Mariya Oktyabrskaya. She received special treatment:
She fought and was killed in less than 3 months, from 21 October 1943 to 17 January 1944
She received massive special treatment and didn't deserve the HotSU at all for being a bog standard tanker, but at least she was in the shit and not a pure propaganda soldier. She actually put herself at risk and got killed for it.
There is, of course, a possibility that she was just driving with the hatch open and got clipped by arty fragments like a noob, then the propaganda ministry made up a fake story to lionize her death.
In all the other "female solider" stories I've read, the exploits of the women sound fake as shit, and clearly didn't happen, and/or the women were kept safe as propaganda soldiers, kept away from danger, had lots of protectors, and took credit for the achievements of men for propaganda purposes.
The US also had Kara Hultgreen.
She actually crashed and killed herself due to being completely incapable of flying but given infinite passes because of her gender.
As far as I know, and I know very little of the specifics of the eastern front, most female combatants were partisans.
You can accuse the USSR of many things, but "protecting women" is not one of them...
That sounds right. Propaganda for the west is about the only useful thing women can do in the military with their clothes on.
I don't know, if they need people to commit crimes against humanity without remorse, I wouldn't pick any other group.
The other commenter highlights my point quite well.
no shit, a country that sacrifices its women in combat is doomed to extinction for obvious reasons (population growth/maintenance is limited by female population, not male population).
Note that this principle applies not just to combat, but anything that decreases birthrates, which is why the west is suicidal (leftism and troonery infecting women -> plummeting birth rates)
This argument is only true if you push it to extremes. If you still have the luxury of maintaining your civilisation and not just your population you need both men and women because you need adults to provide for the economically useless children until they mature, and you need fathers to raise them as functioning human beings.
And Ukraine is nowhere near that point. Less than half a percent of the Ukrainian population has been killed or wounded - even if every single casualty was a woman, compare that to the missing 11% in China.
Not even then. If pushed to the extreme, and all/most men in a country then that country is f**ked both economically (not enough people to do useful work) and militarily (not enough people to defend the country), so it really doesn't matter if that country has plenty of women to produce babies. Any babies produced will no doubt be the babies of the invaders, not the original inhabitants.
"Protecting women" as the reason for not allowing women in the military is gynocentric myth. The reality is that the main reason for only allowing men in the military is that men are physically able to do so and generally more competent; having a poor performing military, which is what would happen if there were many women in it, is probably worse than having no military.
But enough about men being forced to provide for women.
Nothing demoralizes soldiers faster than seeing their own women get cut down in combat. Putting women on the frontline is just bad strategy.
I don't care. The draft would force me to fight. I just want equality. If women don't have to fight, men should be afforded some form of extra respect or privilege as a result.
Yes. Those that are responsible for the work and the consequences should rightfully have authority. This is what we have traditionally called The Patriarchy.
Women are children. Modern women are spoiled, misbehaving children. It is our duty as men to discipline them and put them back in line. We do all of the work. We make civilization possible. We shoulder all of the consequences. Women are for babies, families, and men's pleasure. This is simply the way of things.
No one's forcing me to fight for this regime.
Same, homie. I would desert or run. No way I fight for a country that hates me and the principles I believe in.
Because you're not Ukrainian.
How do you know?
Besides, you can always get out under it.
That's what always happens with female soldiers.
They're propaganda tools, not frontline meat grinder material.
Dumb take. There isn't a single frontline position that doesn't have to carry a heavy load, carry an injured soldier sometimes, etc. Even drone operators. This doesn't change the fact of sexism against men.
Even in 'non-combat' positions, you have to sleep somewhere, eat something, drink water, and carry enough ammunition to operate. Then there's the gear required to actually perform your function.
I never met a woman who could carry 50% of what a man did over any distance. Not two feet, not twenty miles.
What that means in mixed units is all the men get even heavier packs because the women can barely manage to ruck with their body armor, kevlar, and rifle, let alone the other 60-80 pounds in the pack.
All that extra weight gets distributed among the squad, and still they exit after one enlistment with fucked up hips, a fucked up back, on some sort of permanent disability.
That wouldn't be unreasonable. They are just protecting a useful asset that gets them foreign investment.
Hey, your title quality is improving massively.
On my community, I have a speculation flair. We should have that.
Taking that entirely at face value is still no more participation than Jessica Lynch.
Literally got lost. Not even joking
I never knew that Jessica had come out and dismissed the pentagon’s story of her fighting as complete BS.
respect to her for calling them liars and not just accepting their awards.
Ukronazi : "Hey, Russian orc, what's the way to Kherson"
Russian soldier : "Is this Сука serious?"
Can you explain your view for those of us for whom 'Jessica Lynch' is not a household name?
American soldier during the ill-advised invasion/occupation of Iraq. 2003 edition.
Captured, rescued. Rescue op was a media feeding frenzy/propaganda fest.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jessica_Lynch
Women are a really sick joke played by God on humanity.
"So, I created these terrible people..and then I told them" barely contains laughter "That they had to live with them for the rest of their lives or go to hell!"
You never did tell me how you had heard of Hesiod.
Mark Twain once said: imagine if your neighbor had invented mosquitoes. What would your opinion of him be? Now imagine if your neighbor had invented the gender responsible for 95% of rapes and murders. Terrible people indeed.