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Confiscate My Rifle at Wounded Knee (media.kotakuinaction2.win)
posted 2 years ago by SupremeReader 2 years ago by SupremeReader +40 / -1
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– Smith1980 26 points 2 years ago +26 / -0

Hasn’t that stat he is quoting been debunked? Or isn’t he manipulating numbers?

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– TentElephant 28 points 2 years ago +28 / -0

The 90s saw a drop in crime across the board as the feds, states and local governments got "tough on crime". 1994 was the year of the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act, which was passed with the support of black leaders but is now called racist. Not sure what numbers this guy is using specifically because mass shooting has no agreed definition, but I guarantee wherever he got them it doesn't tell the story he thinks it does if you dig into it.

Spez: There was a time in America when a kid of any age could buy a BAR and a case of dynamite at his local hardware store, yet indiscriminate spree murders weren't a thing. The real question is what has happened to cause young men to so thouroughly reject society they decide it would be better to kill everyone around them.

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– BetterNameUnfound 4 points 2 years ago +4 / -0

What's a BAR? Obviously you're not talking about a place to drink beer.

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– CatoTheElder 14 points 2 years ago +15 / -1

Browning Automatic Rifle

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– deleted 5 points 2 years ago +5 / -0
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– HalfSlow 4 points 2 years ago +4 / -0

The civilian BAR has an entirely different mechanism IIRC.

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– TentElephant 2 points 2 years ago +2 / -0

The BAR evolved into the FN MAG(M240).

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– BetterNameUnfound 2 points 2 years ago +2 / -0

I've actually never seen the movie! But thank you.

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– APDSmith 23 points 2 years ago +23 / -0

I can't see how an assault rifle would significantly affect "mass shootings" in such a fashion - most such shootings were conducted with handguns rather than an assault rifle, were they not?

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– Smith1980 11 points 2 years ago +11 / -0

True. And I thought assault rifles were banned or fully automatic machine guns that the media seems to talk about endlessly. You can tell when a shooting is done by handgun how quickly it’s out of the news cycle

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– when_we_win_remember 4 points 2 years ago +4 / -0

I'm not sure what you're trying to say exactly, but no assault rifles aren't banned or fully automatic guns. Assault rifles are just those that have a feature that the government deems to look scary like a pistol grip or a folding stock. Semi-automatic rifles, which is all you need, were legal the whole time.

Honestly, I can see magazine restrictions, presuming they are obeyed, as with any gun control, reducing casualties in mass shootings. Just simple math that if you have to reload more you are going to be able to shoot fewer people. That said a magazine is one of the simplest things in the world to construct. Seems like you could easily 3d print one, minus the spring.

Ironically, and for the same reason, I don't think automatic weapons (or machine guns as the gov't refers to them) are that dangerous. You can put a lot of rounds downrange, but you tend to hit fewer things, and you chew through ammo, so you have to reload and potentially run out faster. This is why firing in full auto mode, while most military rifles are capable of it, is discouraged for troops.

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– almond_activator 5 points 2 years ago +5 / -0

Just simple math that if you have to reload more you are going to be able to shoot fewer people.

Reloading takes very little time if you practice, and generally even less time if you treat magazines as disposable.

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– Smith1980 2 points 2 years ago +2 / -0

You said it much better. Thanks.

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– Hellsbells00 2 points 2 years ago +2 / -0

You're thinking of "assault weapon". Assault rifle means select fire (capable of auto or burst) magazine fed rifle in an intermediate cartridge.

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– deleted 3 points 2 years ago +3 / -0
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– APDSmith 3 points 2 years ago +3 / -0

As I recall they're not banned but you have to pay a $200 tax and undergo enhanced vetting to be allowed to purchase such a weapon.

Do you also need an FFL to purchase automatic weapons?

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– TentElephant 6 points 2 years ago +6 / -0

You do not need an FFL to purchase a machine gun registered before 1986, when the registry was closed. This means there is a relatively small number of them available and it can only get smaller as they wear out, although it is not uncommon for people to secretly, and illegally, make new recievers to keep them running.

Post-1986 machine guns require an FFL with a SOT, which is a special license to deal in NFA items. If you aren't actively conducting buisness with the guns, the ATF will take your license and you'll have to sell any NFA items.

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– Ahaus667 15 points 2 years ago +15 / -0

It’s a fake argument. “Assault weapons” did not account for the drop or incline. It would be like me saying everytime I take a shit during a football game the team I favor scores more. While that could be empirically true no one actually believes me pooping will make the team I like play better.

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– DefinitelyNotIGN 2 points 2 years ago +2 / -0

It's closer to "ice cream sales cause drownings".

A government becoming more totalitarian WILL reduce crime, to a certain breaking point. Part of that totalitarianism could be gun grabbing. As pointed out in a post above, the timeline they quote ALSO had massive draconian (and nowadays labelled "racist") crime reforms that were likely the real primary contributor to the criminality stat: Both "variables" were results from a third related variable.

Much like high temperature causes both more people swimming and thus drowning, as well as ice cream sales, they can be correlated, they ARE correlated, but they're both caused by a third agent. Buying ice cream won't result in someone drowning, and drowning someone won't result in Haagan Dasz's stock price going up. Draconian governments feel no guilt at stopping random people in the street and strip-searching them for drugs or weapons, reducing crimes related to these things. Likewise, draconian governments grab guns.

It's a minor but important distinction from your example, where the variables aren't actually really correlated at all.

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– Assassin47 12 points 2 years ago +12 / -0

I mean... he said two random numbers without any correlation and thought he was making a point? It's less that he's manipulating numbers and more that he just uncontrollably spewed vomit onto his keyboard.

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– SupremeReader [S] 6 points 2 years ago +6 / -0

It's all made up.

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