Despite the fact it can be apparently repaired, I still don't see the Russians blowing up their own pipeline as a false flag.
Arch was saying it yesterday in a livestream, if they wanted to stop the flow, they could easily do it with any excuse (a part broke that we don't make but Germany has but sanctions stop us so can't fix it till you ease sanctions). There's no point in them destroying something that took so long to make and somehow do it without the NATO countries in the area catching them do it despite an US patrol in the area.
I can come up with reasons for why they did it. It's not hard, though I'd still think it unlikely that they did.
It actively punishes the west even more by preventing gas being sent through, vs before when it was merely not flowing by choice.
Second, Having to put more pipe in place would require access, which the west is currently sitting on the area, and you could pick up elint.
Third, it forces people to be paranoid about the west doing this and creates more of a pushback on being involved in ukraine, since nobody thinks this is worth it anymore (and wants to not freeze to death this winter).
Fourth, this also means they have a logical reason to sell more to China/India et al since they know they can't sell it to the west.
I can keep going, but it's not like there's not reasons for thinking russia could have done it. Do I actually think they did? Eh. Not super likely, but the US doing it also seems short sighted in some ways (yeah, we get europe relying more on us, but...then all the ukraine money shrivels up after a while, so no kickbacks for the MIC complex). Maybe we're trying to engineer the collapse of the EU, which this will likely accelerate.
At this point you're arguing for particulars, the crux is they could reduce and turn off whenever they want, so no point sending some special forces under NATO's watch to blow up your own pipe.
I can't tell if the false flags are getting dumber or just because we're so aware of it nowadays they're getting easier to spot?
Literally the only reason I can think of for Russia to blow up their own pipeline is for an excuse to release a shitton of methane into the air.
Russia benefits from global warming in two ways, Siberia becoming livable and the West throwing money down the toilet to electrify everything, which raises the price of gas since Western policy wants high fossil fuel prices to mask the cost (no new drilling/leasing under Biden for instance).
Yeah..... that kind of climate change is less out of mankind's control (unless geo-engineering becomes a thing) and more the result of, say, yellowstone exploding.
Though if that were to happen, and we all still had Internet somehow, I have good news and bad news on this forum
The good news is they'd be no more posts about leftists, they'd be dead
Bad news, all future topics will be where the raiders are, different ways to enjoy gruel and which plant can I eat without dying.
Releasing a shitton of methane would be geo-engineering. It's like 100x more effective per volume than CO2.
Apparently this pipeline explosion was the single largest release of methane to date and is equivalent an entire year's worth of other methane emissions (~500 million tons of methane). Other sources say only 100,000 tons were in the pipeline so the 500 million must have been fake news.
Although this should only boost greenhouse gasses like an extra 1% or 2% tiny amount this year so it's not a good reason to suspect Russia... but could make sense in a two birds with one stone type situation.
Yeah it gives Russia too much credit that they played this 5D chess move to false flag
When the simple answer is America did it, it's allies are all denying they did it, they hope either Ukraine stops pushing or that Putin is bluffing that if Ukraine cross the new Russian territory that nukes are going to be used.
That Nord stream explosion is not even a drop into an ocean. You need something with much more power (say, Yellowstone or a big asteroid) to make significant changes in the climate.
But Russia does indeed something in the Arctic: a "Polar Silk Road", together with China. It would cut ship travel from Asia to Europe almost by half. Here a video: https://youtu.be/pvy9usF7ohE
Currently 580 million tons get into the atmosphere/yr so if Russia went scorched earth they could increase methane by 40%.
Methane accounts for about 20% of warming. So they could increase climate change by 10%.
Not enough to melt Siberia anytime soon, but you definitely don't need a supervolcano or asteroid to change the climate - it's well within out power as humans to destroy the climate just as we can save it with geo-engineering.
A question: You DO realize that these data come from the same type of nutters that were wrong about climate and "climate change" for like 60 Years straight, right?
Why?
Because it was never about the climate.
Not about you, but I would trust their "science" as far as I can throw it (that goes even more now, since the WEF just said that they are "owning the science" on climate change, and that they are cooperating with Google to manipulate/censor results. Totally trustworthy indeed)
There's no reason why they would need to do that by blowing up their own very expensive pipeline. This could easily be done in Russia with no negative consequences.
Despite the fact it can be apparently repaired, I still don't see the Russians blowing up their own pipeline as a false flag.
Arch was saying it yesterday in a livestream, if they wanted to stop the flow, they could easily do it with any excuse (a part broke that we don't make but Germany has but sanctions stop us so can't fix it till you ease sanctions). There's no point in them destroying something that took so long to make and somehow do it without the NATO countries in the area catching them do it despite an US patrol in the area.
No one legitimately thinks Russia did it. The only people who claim to do so are shills and npcs.
I like it when this happens because you get to see who are the sensible people and who are the NPCs/shills.
I can come up with reasons for why they did it. It's not hard, though I'd still think it unlikely that they did.
It actively punishes the west even more by preventing gas being sent through, vs before when it was merely not flowing by choice.
Second, Having to put more pipe in place would require access, which the west is currently sitting on the area, and you could pick up elint.
Third, it forces people to be paranoid about the west doing this and creates more of a pushback on being involved in ukraine, since nobody thinks this is worth it anymore (and wants to not freeze to death this winter).
Fourth, this also means they have a logical reason to sell more to China/India et al since they know they can't sell it to the west.
I can keep going, but it's not like there's not reasons for thinking russia could have done it. Do I actually think they did? Eh. Not super likely, but the US doing it also seems short sighted in some ways (yeah, we get europe relying more on us, but...then all the ukraine money shrivels up after a while, so no kickbacks for the MIC complex). Maybe we're trying to engineer the collapse of the EU, which this will likely accelerate.
No one legitimately thinks Russia did it. The only people who claim to do so are shills and npcs.
Even if they wanted to false flag, how would they be able to get men to the site of the damage without NATO and the US Navy right there noticing?
Why do clueless people keep commenting on this. They had already stopped the flow a month before.
Yes, this makes it even more idiotic to believe that Russia blew it up.
Yes I know that, its why in gave the exact excuse they used in brackets.
That was the excuse they used before they reduced flow. They later stopped flow altogether, which you post implies hasn't happened yet.
At this point you're arguing for particulars, the crux is they could reduce and turn off whenever they want, so no point sending some special forces under NATO's watch to blow up your own pipe.
I can't tell if the false flags are getting dumber or just because we're so aware of it nowadays they're getting easier to spot?
Literally the only reason I can think of for Russia to blow up their own pipeline is for an excuse to release a shitton of methane into the air.
Russia benefits from global warming in two ways, Siberia becoming livable and the West throwing money down the toilet to electrify everything, which raises the price of gas since Western policy wants high fossil fuel prices to mask the cost (no new drilling/leasing under Biden for instance).
Yeah..... that kind of climate change is less out of mankind's control (unless geo-engineering becomes a thing) and more the result of, say, yellowstone exploding.
Though if that were to happen, and we all still had Internet somehow, I have good news and bad news on this forum
The good news is they'd be no more posts about leftists, they'd be dead
Bad news, all future topics will be where the raiders are, different ways to enjoy gruel and which plant can I eat without dying.
Releasing a shitton of methane would be geo-engineering. It's like 100x more effective per volume than CO2.
Apparently this pipeline explosion was the single largest release of methane to date and is equivalent an entire year's worth of other methane emissions
(~500 million tons of methane).Other sources say only 100,000 tons were in the pipeline so the 500 million must have been fake news.Although this should only boost greenhouse gasses like an
extra 1% or 2%tiny amount this year so it's not a good reason to suspect Russia... but could make sense in a two birds with one stone type situation.Yeah it gives Russia too much credit that they played this 5D chess move to false flag
When the simple answer is America did it, it's allies are all denying they did it, they hope either Ukraine stops pushing or that Putin is bluffing that if Ukraine cross the new Russian territory that nukes are going to be used.
That Nord stream explosion is not even a drop into an ocean. You need something with much more power (say, Yellowstone or a big asteroid) to make significant changes in the climate.
But Russia does indeed something in the Arctic: a "Polar Silk Road", together with China. It would cut ship travel from Asia to Europe almost by half. Here a video: https://youtu.be/pvy9usF7ohE
670 billion cubic meters of natural gas production * 0.55 kg/m^3 / 1000 kg/ton = 370 million tons
Currently 580 million tons get into the atmosphere/yr so if Russia went scorched earth they could increase methane by 40%.
Methane accounts for about 20% of warming. So they could increase climate change by 10%.
Not enough to melt Siberia anytime soon, but you definitely don't need a supervolcano or asteroid to change the climate - it's well within out power as humans to destroy the climate just as we can save it with geo-engineering.
A question: You DO realize that these data come from the same type of nutters that were wrong about climate and "climate change" for like 60 Years straight, right?
Why?
Because it was never about the climate.
Not about you, but I would trust their "science" as far as I can throw it (that goes even more now, since the WEF just said that they are "owning the science" on climate change, and that they are cooperating with Google to manipulate/censor results. Totally trustworthy indeed)
There's no reason why they would need to do that by blowing up their own very expensive pipeline. This could easily be done in Russia with no negative consequences.