The pipeline was laid in pieces by a ship designed for that purpose. Obviously all they'd need to do is send the ship out there and take out the damages sections and then replace them.
Notice how he glosses over that "There are technical possibilities to restore the infrastructure" because he doesn't want to talk about that, HIS priority is to talk about who did it: "As of today, we proceed from the fact that it is necessary, first of all, to figure out who did it, and we are sure that certain countries, which had expressed their positions before, were interested in it. Both the US and Ukraine, as well as Poland"
This is exactly what I would expect if Russia blew up the pipeline themselves in order to play the victim and rally domestic support for the regime by pretending to be under attack.
Hey, people are mad about this whole conscription thing, what are we going to do about it?
THEY BLEW UP OUR PIPELINE! IT'S A GLOBAL CONSPIRACY AGAINST MOTHER RUSSIA!
nice one, we distract with a false flag attack, right out of the FSB playbook comrade.
This is exactly what I would expect if Russia blew up the pipeline themselves in order to play the victim and rally domestic support for the regime by pretending to be under attack.
And what would be different in their response if it was an attack by NATO or Ukraine?
And what would be different in their response if it was an attack by NATO or Ukraine?
I need to correct you first on your use of the term "NATO". Russia didn't say NATO, it said the US and Ukraine. Big difference.
And to answer your question very obviously, Russia would run crying to Germany and try to make nice with Germany to collaborate against the US, while at the same time swearing IMMEDIATE repair, and IMMEDIATE re-activation and resumption of gas deliveries to Germany.
Of course none of that happened, because Russia doesn't want to turn it back on, hence why they blew it up, and also isn't going to bother trying to make common cause with Germany, because Russia knows it did the job itself and they'd never be able to fool the Germans into thinking the US did it.
So, the only way Russia can demonstrate they didn't sabotage their own pipelines is by immediately kowtowing to everything NATO wants them to do? Got it.
Why would NATO blow up Russia's pipeline if NATO desperately wants the pipeline to supply gas?
Clearly whoever blew up the pipeline does NOT want it to supply gas, so if it was an enemy of Russia, then Russia should want to thwart said enemy by doing the opposite.
Your Russophobia is off the charts. The apartment bombings claim is crazy enough (like I showed you from the recent biography, only for you to call the author a 'dumbass' for disagreeing with you), but this? I would not expect this in the least, so dangerously risky it is.
For the Americans? Not at all. Germany probably agreed to them blowing it up, so domestic pressure would be relieved. "Hey, we want you to not starve and freeze to death, but our hands are tied!"
The apartment bombings claim is crazy enough (like I showed you from the recent biography, only for you to call the author a 'dumbass' for disagreeing with you)
You linked a tweet of pictures of a few pages of the book "Putin: His Life and Times" by 77 year old Brit Philip Short, which admits that Russians generally believed that the Ryazan incident was proof the bombings were a false flag, with further evidence found later in a similar incident in Volgodonsk.
Short's arguments - not evidence - are laughably bad: (1) one of the bombing killed some military families and the Russian govt would kill civilians, but not dependas. "In Stalin's time, perhaps." LOL shit argument. Putin didn't give a flying fuck about his actual soldiers let alone their families, and choosing that target made it seem to align more with the rebel motives, which is the whole point of a false flag. (2) Other false flags were "prevented" in time. Why would they block their own false flags? Duh. The obvious answer is that while they needed a bodycount, once that bodycount was established, it would have an even better effect to "catch" the "bombings" in time since it would have the same fear effect while also making the government look competent. (3) "the sheer, bumbling incompetence of the FSB operatives" means they couldn't have done it. LOL. Yeah that's why that team got fucking caught. The others did not. This is a toupee fallacy.
Short's book is as close to a hagiography of Putin as could be published in the west now. From the NYT book review: "As critics observed about those volumes, Short’s determination to present a fully realized portrait of Putin may strike some as excessively sympathetic... In fact, he does absolve Putin of several crimes. Short opens with an extended examination of the never-solved apartment bombings of 1999 that were blamed on Chechen terrorists but suspected of being a government conspiracy to cement Putin’s path to power. Short exonerates Putin."
The moment anyone tells you what you want to hear or believe for ideological purposes, you take it as gospel truth. The evidence doesn't matter. It's like arguing with a liberal. Short's arguments are trash and he clearly decided he was going to put positive spin on Putin for the book.
Germany probably agreed to them blowing it up, so domestic pressure would be relieved. "Hey, we want you to not starve and freeze to death, but our hands are tied!"
Germany already has stockpiles of energy for the winter. It bought them in August, hence why prices spiked then. The prices have come back down as supply chains have adapted and demand has softened in September. There is no reason to believe that the EU is subject to any winter gas extortion anymore.
Cut the crap, you wouldn't be fanatically backing a shithole like Ukraine if you weren't.
The evidence overwhelmingly supports that Putin ordered the apt bombings, and his FSB agents were caught by locals trying to plant a bomb in Ryazan.
Yes, as a training exercise. No evidence was ever provided that this was an actual bomb.
You linked a tweet of pictures of a few pages of the book "Putin: His Life and Times" by 77 year old Brit Philip Short
Oh wow, 77 years old.
That definitely refutes his book!
which admits that Russians generally believed that the Ryazan incident was proof the bombings were a false flag
Pssh... people in non-Western countries are extremely suspicious and believe basically everything is a conspiracy. That doesn't prove it.
Putin didn't give a flying fuck about his actual soldiers let alone their families
Obviously, like your Biden, he doesn't give a damn. The argument is that he wouldn't be able to get away with it. Just because the USG wouldn't give a damn about blowing up the WTC, it is highly unlikely (contrary to the opinions of some of the spergs here) that it would be able to get away with it.
Short's book is as close to a hagiography of Putin as could be published in the west now. From the NYT book review: "As critics observed about those volumes, Short’s determination to present a fully realized portrait of Putin may strike some as excessively sympathetic... In fact, he does absolve Putin of several crimes. Short opens with an extended examination of the never-solved apartment bombings of 1999 that were blamed on Chechen terrorists but suspected of being a government conspiracy to cement Putin’s path to power. Short exonerates Putin."
Ah, so now you find the NYT reliable. Go read what they write about the Republicans that you worship. Same for Wikipedia. The moment anyone tells you what you want to hear or believe for ideological purposes, you take it as gospel truth. The evidence doesn't matter.
Germany already has stockpiles of energy for the winter. It bought them in August, hence why prices spiked then. The prices have come back down as supply chains have adapted and demand has softened in September. There is no reason to believe that the EU is subject to any winter gas extortion anymore.
Those stockpiles are a joke and won't get Germany through the winter. You need a constant flow of natural gas.
Pangs of conscience over what you did with their pipeline if they end up starving and freezing?
The US isn't helping Ukraine because it is scared of Russia, it is helping Ukraine because Putin's war of aggression is morally wrong, as well as an unacceptable attempt to engage in empire-building, which is inconsistent with the desires of the guarantors of free trade.
Nobody credulous really believes the "training exercise" excuse, as it is obvious bullshit. You only "believe" it because you're a partisan.
Yes, Philip Short being 77 is a small strike against him, however that was not a significant part of my refutation of him, so I don't know why you singled. Oh wait, I DO know: you lack confidence on any of my substantive points.
I disagree, I think Biden cares about US soldiers far moreso than Putin cares about Russian soldiers, which is admittedly a low bar. People who shill for obviously evil people love the cope that they pretend that everyone in the world is equally evil, the "good guys" just hide it better. That's a childish world view.
Americans absolutely would not blow up the WTC, because they have morals and ethics and do not want to murder their fellow Americans. They aren't heartless killers like Putin, who routinely engages in murder of anyone who he simply dislikes, even if they are not a threat to the regime.
I knew you'd whine about my citing the NYT. NYT book reviews are one of the most famous and well known.
I don't worship Republicans. You worship Putin, a loser and failure who tricked you into thinking he gives a fuck about your political goals so that he could get you to be an internet janny shill for him. You're a useful idiot for his desire to rebuild the USSR, and she doesn't give the slightest shit about you or what you want culturally or politically. Republicans, on the other hand, are actually fighting the culture war and in the trenches and starting to get some victories. So yeah, my support of Republicans is moving the ball in the direction you claim to cherish. Your support of Putin is not. Hence why I suspect the possibility that you're some kind of agent. You claimed goals and what you write don't actually line up. Your devotion to and shilling for Putin cannot be explained away by the mere fact that Putin doesn't like gay pride parades. Like why the fuck do you need to shill for him on Ryazan? You wouldn't give the slightest shit if you only saw Putin as a useful tool against the wokes.
"The moment anyone tells you what you want to hear or believe for ideological purposes, you take it as gospel truth. The evidence doesn't matter." Outstanding job describing yourself, not me. "accuse your opponent of that of which you are guilty" is probably in your employee handbook.
"Those stockpiles are a joke and won't get Germany through the winter" Sure they can, because of course Germany still has months to obtain more energy before and during the winter from other sources. Russia didn't have a monopoly on gas. The stockpiles are there as a cushion. Nobody believes that all energy supplies are going to get cut off and Germany is going to have to solely ration out the stockpile.
"Pangs of conscience over what you did with their pipeline if they end up starving and freezing?" Accusing me of what your Daddy Putin did, "accuse your opponent of that of which you are guilty" twice in one comment. If you remain this predictable you might get replaced by an AI.
This is exactly what I would expect if Russia blew up the pipeline themselves in order to play the victim and rally domestic support for the regime by pretending to be under attack.
Ah yes, "come die for a pipeline we weren't even using". What rallying cry could more inflame the patriotistic passions? Even the reddest of commie Russians would run to their local recruitment office after hearing that.
The pipeline was laid in pieces by a ship designed for that purpose. Obviously all they'd need to do is send the ship out there and take out the damages sections and then replace them.
Notice how he glosses over that "There are technical possibilities to restore the infrastructure" because he doesn't want to talk about that, HIS priority is to talk about who did it: "As of today, we proceed from the fact that it is necessary, first of all, to figure out who did it, and we are sure that certain countries, which had expressed their positions before, were interested in it. Both the US and Ukraine, as well as Poland"
This is exactly what I would expect if Russia blew up the pipeline themselves in order to play the victim and rally domestic support for the regime by pretending to be under attack.
And what would be different in their response if it was an attack by NATO or Ukraine?
I need to correct you first on your use of the term "NATO". Russia didn't say NATO, it said the US and Ukraine. Big difference.
And to answer your question very obviously, Russia would run crying to Germany and try to make nice with Germany to collaborate against the US, while at the same time swearing IMMEDIATE repair, and IMMEDIATE re-activation and resumption of gas deliveries to Germany.
Of course none of that happened, because Russia doesn't want to turn it back on, hence why they blew it up, and also isn't going to bother trying to make common cause with Germany, because Russia knows it did the job itself and they'd never be able to fool the Germans into thinking the US did it.
So, the only way Russia can demonstrate they didn't sabotage their own pipelines is by immediately kowtowing to everything NATO wants them to do? Got it.
Why would NATO blow up Russia's pipeline if NATO desperately wants the pipeline to supply gas?
Clearly whoever blew up the pipeline does NOT want it to supply gas, so if it was an enemy of Russia, then Russia should want to thwart said enemy by doing the opposite.
Yeah, just wait until Putin assassinates himself in order to make America look bad. That’ll show everyone!
If you think Russia did this shit, then there’s no limit to what you will believe.
Your Russophobia is off the charts. The apartment bombings claim is crazy enough (like I showed you from the recent biography, only for you to call the author a 'dumbass' for disagreeing with you), but this? I would not expect this in the least, so dangerously risky it is.
For the Americans? Not at all. Germany probably agreed to them blowing it up, so domestic pressure would be relieved. "Hey, we want you to not starve and freeze to death, but our hands are tied!"
I'm not scared of Russia. Nobody is.
The evidence overwhelmingly supports that Putin ordered the apt bombings, and his FSB agents were caught by locals trying to plant a bomb in Ryazan.
You linked a tweet of pictures of a few pages of the book "Putin: His Life and Times" by 77 year old Brit Philip Short, which admits that Russians generally believed that the Ryazan incident was proof the bombings were a false flag, with further evidence found later in a similar incident in Volgodonsk.
Short's arguments - not evidence - are laughably bad: (1) one of the bombing killed some military families and the Russian govt would kill civilians, but not dependas. "In Stalin's time, perhaps." LOL shit argument. Putin didn't give a flying fuck about his actual soldiers let alone their families, and choosing that target made it seem to align more with the rebel motives, which is the whole point of a false flag. (2) Other false flags were "prevented" in time. Why would they block their own false flags? Duh. The obvious answer is that while they needed a bodycount, once that bodycount was established, it would have an even better effect to "catch" the "bombings" in time since it would have the same fear effect while also making the government look competent. (3) "the sheer, bumbling incompetence of the FSB operatives" means they couldn't have done it. LOL. Yeah that's why that team got fucking caught. The others did not. This is a toupee fallacy.
Short's book is as close to a hagiography of Putin as could be published in the west now. From the NYT book review: "As critics observed about those volumes, Short’s determination to present a fully realized portrait of Putin may strike some as excessively sympathetic... In fact, he does absolve Putin of several crimes. Short opens with an extended examination of the never-solved apartment bombings of 1999 that were blamed on Chechen terrorists but suspected of being a government conspiracy to cement Putin’s path to power. Short exonerates Putin."
The moment anyone tells you what you want to hear or believe for ideological purposes, you take it as gospel truth. The evidence doesn't matter. It's like arguing with a liberal. Short's arguments are trash and he clearly decided he was going to put positive spin on Putin for the book.
Germany already has stockpiles of energy for the winter. It bought them in August, hence why prices spiked then. The prices have come back down as supply chains have adapted and demand has softened in September. There is no reason to believe that the EU is subject to any winter gas extortion anymore.
Cut the crap, you wouldn't be fanatically backing a shithole like Ukraine if you weren't.
Yes, as a training exercise. No evidence was ever provided that this was an actual bomb.
Oh wow, 77 years old.
That definitely refutes his book!
Pssh... people in non-Western countries are extremely suspicious and believe basically everything is a conspiracy. That doesn't prove it.
Obviously, like your Biden, he doesn't give a damn. The argument is that he wouldn't be able to get away with it. Just because the USG wouldn't give a damn about blowing up the WTC, it is highly unlikely (contrary to the opinions of some of the spergs here) that it would be able to get away with it.
Ah, so now you find the NYT reliable. Go read what they write about the Republicans that you worship. Same for Wikipedia. The moment anyone tells you what you want to hear or believe for ideological purposes, you take it as gospel truth. The evidence doesn't matter.
Those stockpiles are a joke and won't get Germany through the winter. You need a constant flow of natural gas.
Pangs of conscience over what you did with their pipeline if they end up starving and freezing?
No wait, anything is justified for empire.
The US isn't helping Ukraine because it is scared of Russia, it is helping Ukraine because Putin's war of aggression is morally wrong, as well as an unacceptable attempt to engage in empire-building, which is inconsistent with the desires of the guarantors of free trade.
Nobody credulous really believes the "training exercise" excuse, as it is obvious bullshit. You only "believe" it because you're a partisan.
Yes, Philip Short being 77 is a small strike against him, however that was not a significant part of my refutation of him, so I don't know why you singled. Oh wait, I DO know: you lack confidence on any of my substantive points.
I disagree, I think Biden cares about US soldiers far moreso than Putin cares about Russian soldiers, which is admittedly a low bar. People who shill for obviously evil people love the cope that they pretend that everyone in the world is equally evil, the "good guys" just hide it better. That's a childish world view.
Americans absolutely would not blow up the WTC, because they have morals and ethics and do not want to murder their fellow Americans. They aren't heartless killers like Putin, who routinely engages in murder of anyone who he simply dislikes, even if they are not a threat to the regime.
I knew you'd whine about my citing the NYT. NYT book reviews are one of the most famous and well known.
I don't worship Republicans. You worship Putin, a loser and failure who tricked you into thinking he gives a fuck about your political goals so that he could get you to be an internet janny shill for him. You're a useful idiot for his desire to rebuild the USSR, and she doesn't give the slightest shit about you or what you want culturally or politically. Republicans, on the other hand, are actually fighting the culture war and in the trenches and starting to get some victories. So yeah, my support of Republicans is moving the ball in the direction you claim to cherish. Your support of Putin is not. Hence why I suspect the possibility that you're some kind of agent. You claimed goals and what you write don't actually line up. Your devotion to and shilling for Putin cannot be explained away by the mere fact that Putin doesn't like gay pride parades. Like why the fuck do you need to shill for him on Ryazan? You wouldn't give the slightest shit if you only saw Putin as a useful tool against the wokes.
"The moment anyone tells you what you want to hear or believe for ideological purposes, you take it as gospel truth. The evidence doesn't matter." Outstanding job describing yourself, not me. "accuse your opponent of that of which you are guilty" is probably in your employee handbook.
"Those stockpiles are a joke and won't get Germany through the winter" Sure they can, because of course Germany still has months to obtain more energy before and during the winter from other sources. Russia didn't have a monopoly on gas. The stockpiles are there as a cushion. Nobody believes that all energy supplies are going to get cut off and Germany is going to have to solely ration out the stockpile.
"Pangs of conscience over what you did with their pipeline if they end up starving and freezing?" Accusing me of what your Daddy Putin did, "accuse your opponent of that of which you are guilty" twice in one comment. If you remain this predictable you might get replaced by an AI.
Ah yes, "come die for a pipeline we weren't even using". What rallying cry could more inflame the patriotistic passions? Even the reddest of commie Russians would run to their local recruitment office after hearing that.
I guess something can't be propaganda as long as you personally don't find it to be highly convincing. lol
If it is propaganda, RIP to Russia's propaganda department.
It would also give an excuse to rebuff the gas barons in Russia wanting to sell gas to Europe by stopping the war.