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WEF proposes new cement batteries for houses (web.archive.org)
posted 3 years ago by AlfredicEnglishRules 3 years ago by AlfredicEnglishRules +22 / -0
Your house could become a rechargeable cement battery. Here’s how
Technology in development could enable multi-storey buildings to be made from concrete batteries.
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– Ahaus667 15 points 3 years ago +15 / -0

even though at the moment they are still hundreds of times less energy-dense than a lithium-ion battery.

Considering lithium is not enough to store any real energy and is a dead end as far as battery storage is concerned all this is a massive waste of time.

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– Assassin47 6 points 3 years ago +6 / -0

What is the future of battery tech?

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– Ahaus667 7 points 3 years ago +7 / -0

For conductivity graphene, however it’s still a long way from being viable as Lithium is currently. This is the one Elon is betting on though.

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– Ender910 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0

I've looked into this a bit, and honestly, it seems like we've not really made much meaningful progress at all.

And I don't just mean in terms of practical application and production so much as any solid ideas on the drawing board. Long-term storage of a lot of energy in a semi mobile, largely inactive and convertible form is not especially easy.

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– yamez 4 points 3 years ago +4 / -0

care to expand on that?

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– ArtemisFoul 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0

And if they managed to get it as energy-dense as even current Li batteries, that would be even worse. Ever seen a battery fire, even just a laptop or a cell phone? Ever seen an EV catch fire? Imagine your entire fucking house doing that. I imagine it would be over for you and your family pretty quick, but what do you do with a house-sized battery fire in a residential neighborhood? You can't dunk it in a pool for 24 hours like Tesla suggests they do with burning electric cars.

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– Ender910 3 points 3 years ago +3 / -0

Or we can go even further. Remember all those fun little explosions in Star Trek? People joke about it as being silly, but I'm pretty sure that part of the reasoning is that those ships have power being distributed via plasma conduits throughout the entire ship.

That's some highly volatile stuff when containment measures are breached. Not quite as bad as radioactive material from a Nuclear leak, but still pretty bad, especially if we're talking about using it in populated areas.

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– Assassin47 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0

Wow. Exploding bridge consoles in our lifetime! The future is bright and shocking.

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– Flarisu 3 points 3 years ago +3 / -0

If they magically find something that has energy density of even half of gasoline or natural gas, that something will be so dangerous we will not want to keep it stored in our home.

There's a reason we don't store tanks of gasoline in our house.

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– GeneralBoobs 13 points 3 years ago +13 / -0

I call for anti-tank and anti-aircraft batteries to be installed in every neighborhood and, if the owner wants, front lawn. The WEF needs to know we mean business.

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– AlfredicEnglishRules [S] 3 points 3 years ago +3 / -0

You got me to laugh. Thanks.

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– SturmMilfEnthusiast 12 points 3 years ago +12 / -0

This strikes me less as the usual WEF demon shenanigans and more of the typical near-futurist nonsense. Granted, the near-futurists tend to be the loudest of their useful idiot army, but on the whole, their own ideas tend to only be stupid, not evil.

This, for example, is only stupid insofar that it's only ever been done in a lab, and that we have no idea what the large-scale hurdles of it would be. That's before we get to the inevitable bureaucratic parasitism that ruins any potential economic feasibility, of course. That said, if you could wave a magic wand and turn concrete structures into batteries without electrocuting people when it rains or giving everyone cancer, there's really nothing evil about that.

This article only really exists because it's cred for the autistic near-futurists that will back up just about anyone who tells them their fantasies are possible. Like von Braun and rockets, except with a room temperature IQ and underwhelming vision.

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– dekachin 9 points 3 years ago +9 / -0

according to a research team led by Dr Emma Zhang.

All new ideas attached to chinese names should be assumed to be utterly stupid and based on lies. Chinese are hyper competitive and have a long history of blatantly lying to try to get attention and hype. It's part of their culture now.

even though at the moment they are still hundreds of times less energy-dense than a lithium-ion battery.

"let's spend a lot of money on a really shitty battery that doesn't do the job of a battery well at all, and is neither cost effective, and orders of magnitude less efficient than other existing solutions"

I hate that US taxpayer money gets wasted on shit like this, even though in this particular case the idiots are in sweden.

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– deleted 8 points 3 years ago +8 / -0
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– APDSmith 8 points 3 years ago +8 / -0

Because those are already owned by the government or corporations (which seem set on becoming more or less the same thing in our brave new world) - why would they need an excuse to take ownership of something they already own?

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– Brennus 6 points 3 years ago +6 / -0

You already pay taxes for all of that stuff. We can’t have the poors continuing to actually own their homes not paying anymore money outside of property tax.

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– APDSmith 7 points 3 years ago +7 / -0

Iron coated carbon-fibre mesh

OK, so what happens in a few years when this iron-coated carbon-fibre mesh turns into iron oxide-coated carbon-fibre mesh? When that happens with structural concrete the expansion as the iron turns into rust spalls the shit out of the concrete and can render entire structures unsafe.

In the end, though, none of that matters. I suspect the wider motive here is turning your house into their grid. It's yet another method of stripping property rights from everybody except our new aristocracy.

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– yamez 6 points 3 years ago +6 / -0

rust motivated spalling is the reason that reinforced concrete buildings have useful lifespans measured in low decades rather than centuries. Something the environmentalists NEVER attempt to address.

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– AlfredicEnglishRules [S] 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0

Sounds like the tire fiasco all over again. Thousands of tires were dumped in the ocean to rebuild coral. It didn't work and cost a ton to fix.

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– the_nybbler 6 points 3 years ago +6 / -0

No, no, cement is for the bunker, the batteries are metal.

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– when_we_win_remember 4 points 3 years ago +4 / -0

It sounds more like the iron and nickel are the anode and cathode and the cement is just the insulating layer.

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– AlfredicEnglishRules [S] 3 points 3 years ago +3 / -0

I want to tell a rock joke, but am too tired.

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– Hand_Of_Node 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0

*too stoned

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– Ender910 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0

I do think that in the long run, power cells of some sort with some degree of high energy storage/capacity are going to be the optimal alternative to a connective power grid. (Unless you like the idea of running plasma conduits or something under the streets)

But this shit is far too soon and far too useless to be remotely viable. And I don't trust the WEF to not come up with ideas that aren't intended to solely serve the interests of the elite.

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– AlfredicEnglishRules [S] 3 points 3 years ago +3 / -0

Plasma would be great if contained properly. That's the catch for anything.

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– deleted 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0

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