Successful white musical groups that manage to penetrate the mainstream will inevitably suffer anti-white backlash. It happened with nickelback, it happened with imagine dragons, it happened with Taylor swift, it’s starting to happen with 21 pilots.
The fact that some or all of these groups suck is irrelevant; plenty of non-white groups become popular despite being horrible, and the entire industry doesn’t spontaneously turn on them.
The only way to avoid this cycle is to bail for country music (where criticism doesn’t matter) or embrace ghetto culture (a la Billie eilish).
All of this is to say that the music industry is thoroughly converged and pozzed. Thankfully, the internet decentralized music beyond “repair”. People don’t even listen to new music anymore. Something like 70% of all streamed music is more than 20 years old.
I love older country but I see country music making the mistake of pandering to groups that don’t generally listen to country. Taylor Swift got annoying with her political ranting. Granted I stopped listening or keeping up with modern music in the very early 00s. What happened to Imagine Dragons? I didn’t think they were bad outside of the lecturing about lgbt rights
Lol. Well if I erase all my music over politics it would be pretty empty. But I generally ignore their opinions. I’m very retro with music so that’s good for me
Classical music is vastly underrated, I have a whole playlist created around finding the best renditions of the masters. A well done Moonlight sonata or instrumental ave Maria conveys more emotional depth without words than any modern pop crap. Also, check out mood for a day by yes, you can thank me later.
I love classical music. My mom tried to get us into it as kids but I didn’t start buying it til I was in high school. Also interesting how much classical music you are exposed to through looney tunes and commercials without realizing it. I have some Yes. I’ll check it out
Anyone that wants to be outspoken about supporting shit that's antithetical to my believes doesn't get my support. I avoid funding people who want to destroy me
The video outlines how the band sold well, had tons of followers, and the internet hated it.
The part I noticed the most was how Rolling stone magazine refused to write good reviews or news about the band. I've seen a similar thing for the star wars prequels. So the perception and the reality are two very different things.
It also helps explain the media reaction to stuff like gamergate, they believe someone else is doing what they did. They can't see the grassroots response because they are accustomed to spin anyway.
I enjoyed the prequels. More now. They have flaws but I enjoyed them. It’s the reverse with sequels. They insist that everyone likes them or if you don’t like TLJ you are a bad person.
I watched Attack of the Clones 3x in the theater because it gave the feelings of Star Wars regardless of how dumb it was.
The prequels weren't good, but they weren't emenating the smug aura of contempt for the fans that grew up with it like the sequels did.
Instead the prequels showed all of the sincerity of watching a guy who is approaching old age try to pick up a hobby he enjoyed as a kid. He spends a bunch of money on the kit and got the best gear. But he just doesn't have either the innocent enthusiasm or the boundless energy that gave him the unshakable focus on pushing toward perfection that he had in youth.
The sequels were more like when your spoiled cousin came over, intentionally broke one of your toys, got praised for playing with it "creatively" by her mother, and you got yelled at when you got mad at her for doing it. She knew what she was doing and she got pleasure from your impotent rage, knowing she could freely cause you this emotional harm and the authority figures would side with her against you.
I recently rewatched the prequels and was shocked how much I enjoyed them. Well edited and scripted movies. The lines kind of sucked at times, but the vast majority of the movie was excellent.
In the early-to-mid 2000s, a website popped up that simply played their "Someday" and "How You Remind Me" simultaneously, unaltered, with one song through the left channel and the other song through the right channel. There was a slider bar that would slowly mute one side while elevating the other. The slider bar was there in case you didn't believe what you were hearing and needed proof, because what you were hearing was that these songs could be played right on top of each other and it was nearly seamless.
It's not so much that people "hated" them. They were just very bland, very generic, and inexplicably ubiquitous. You couldn't escape them, especially in a grocery or retail environment. When large numbers of people are basically forced to hear something over and over, especially something almost aggressively bland, and they literally can't get away from it, that's going to leave a lasting negative impression.
It's not that they can be played at the same time without tangling, it's that all the chord changes, key changes, bridges, breakdowns, swells, pauses, are in the same place. If you could draw a topographical map of a song, it'd be the same for both songs. It gave the impression that these were being very cynically and mechanically produced.
I think a lot of the problem with Nickelback wasn't even the mediocre music so much as their behaviour, especially Chad Kroeger. The man's ego outstrips his talent by orders of magnitude.
A lot of other people have said it but they are a very generic band. Not really bad, not really good. Im remembering what early-ish social media was like at this point. The same people that couldn't help but tell you how much nickelback sucked also couldn't stop talking about how much they love bacon, getting little mustache tattoos on their finger, and sharing posts from "i fucking love science." They reside on reddit and twitter now and think you are super racist and lgbtqiapedophobic.
Aw, I can't find the clip of the Royal Canadian Air Farce doing "We Got Nothing to Say" (Nickelback Parody.)
Anyway, Bryan Adams caught the same shit in the 90s, because he was overplayed on Canadian radio. Couldn't get away from him, either.
That's the problem with Canadian Content rules, sometimes a band/singer is just there for legal filler.
And I've been to Hanna. It's basically where people from Drumheller go to cause trouble (because Drum is a prison town, and the RCMP there are a little more no-nonsensey than other places.)
I don't know if it was so much that they were "bad" but that they weren't really doing anything a bunch of other bands were already doing at the time. From what I remember they were pretty much from the same mold as Pearl Jam and Creed, and Creed already was being criticized for having a somewhat generic sound.
Back in the radio days you kinda had to have some sort of unique sound to stand out from all the other music being played, and I don't remember them doing that.
t. Rock music enjoyer who was in high school when Nickelback was at its peak and who thought the indie and/or internet music scene of the day was rather pretentious.
Successful white musical groups that manage to penetrate the mainstream will inevitably suffer anti-white backlash. It happened with nickelback, it happened with imagine dragons, it happened with Taylor swift, it’s starting to happen with 21 pilots.
The fact that some or all of these groups suck is irrelevant; plenty of non-white groups become popular despite being horrible, and the entire industry doesn’t spontaneously turn on them.
The only way to avoid this cycle is to bail for country music (where criticism doesn’t matter) or embrace ghetto culture (a la Billie eilish).
All of this is to say that the music industry is thoroughly converged and pozzed. Thankfully, the internet decentralized music beyond “repair”. People don’t even listen to new music anymore. Something like 70% of all streamed music is more than 20 years old.
I love older country but I see country music making the mistake of pandering to groups that don’t generally listen to country. Taylor Swift got annoying with her political ranting. Granted I stopped listening or keeping up with modern music in the very early 00s. What happened to Imagine Dragons? I didn’t think they were bad outside of the lecturing about lgbt rights
Taylor swift is a dumb pandering asshole
Also didn't know imagine dragons did that. Brb removing all their music from my Playlist
Lol. Well if I erase all my music over politics it would be pretty empty. But I generally ignore their opinions. I’m very retro with music so that’s good for me
Classical music is vastly underrated, I have a whole playlist created around finding the best renditions of the masters. A well done Moonlight sonata or instrumental ave Maria conveys more emotional depth without words than any modern pop crap. Also, check out mood for a day by yes, you can thank me later.
I love classical music. My mom tried to get us into it as kids but I didn’t start buying it til I was in high school. Also interesting how much classical music you are exposed to through looney tunes and commercials without realizing it. I have some Yes. I’ll check it out
Anyone that wants to be outspoken about supporting shit that's antithetical to my believes doesn't get my support. I avoid funding people who want to destroy me
What did they say? Nickel back? I understand what you mean though. I stopped watching some shows over that
I'm honestly trying to remember the most recent song I've heard, let alone enjoyed.
Neither of these are appealing prospects. I'd rather just enjoy good music and tell the mainstream to go fuck itself with its trash taste.
The video outlines how the band sold well, had tons of followers, and the internet hated it.
The part I noticed the most was how Rolling stone magazine refused to write good reviews or news about the band. I've seen a similar thing for the star wars prequels. So the perception and the reality are two very different things.
It also helps explain the media reaction to stuff like gamergate, they believe someone else is doing what they did. They can't see the grassroots response because they are accustomed to spin anyway.
I enjoyed the prequels. More now. They have flaws but I enjoyed them. It’s the reverse with sequels. They insist that everyone likes them or if you don’t like TLJ you are a bad person.
Never understood hatred of Nickleback
I watched Attack of the Clones 3x in the theater because it gave the feelings of Star Wars regardless of how dumb it was.
The prequels weren't good, but they weren't emenating the smug aura of contempt for the fans that grew up with it like the sequels did.
Instead the prequels showed all of the sincerity of watching a guy who is approaching old age try to pick up a hobby he enjoyed as a kid. He spends a bunch of money on the kit and got the best gear. But he just doesn't have either the innocent enthusiasm or the boundless energy that gave him the unshakable focus on pushing toward perfection that he had in youth.
The sequels were more like when your spoiled cousin came over, intentionally broke one of your toys, got praised for playing with it "creatively" by her mother, and you got yelled at when you got mad at her for doing it. She knew what she was doing and she got pleasure from your impotent rage, knowing she could freely cause you this emotional harm and the authority figures would side with her against you.
I recently rewatched the prequels and was shocked how much I enjoyed them. Well edited and scripted movies. The lines kind of sucked at times, but the vast majority of the movie was excellent.
Nickelback got tons of radio play so clearly someone liked them, but they just weren't that good.
https://youtu.be/pvujgcbaCF8
In the early-to-mid 2000s, a website popped up that simply played their "Someday" and "How You Remind Me" simultaneously, unaltered, with one song through the left channel and the other song through the right channel. There was a slider bar that would slowly mute one side while elevating the other. The slider bar was there in case you didn't believe what you were hearing and needed proof, because what you were hearing was that these songs could be played right on top of each other and it was nearly seamless.
It's not so much that people "hated" them. They were just very bland, very generic, and inexplicably ubiquitous. You couldn't escape them, especially in a grocery or retail environment. When large numbers of people are basically forced to hear something over and over, especially something almost aggressively bland, and they literally can't get away from it, that's going to leave a lasting negative impression.
Oddly, I still enjoyed it.
Also, you can do the same with Sesame Street and James Bond theme music.
It's not that they can be played at the same time without tangling, it's that all the chord changes, key changes, bridges, breakdowns, swells, pauses, are in the same place. If you could draw a topographical map of a song, it'd be the same for both songs. It gave the impression that these were being very cynically and mechanically produced.
I think a lot of the problem with Nickelback wasn't even the mediocre music so much as their behaviour, especially Chad Kroeger. The man's ego outstrips his talent by orders of magnitude.
I hated Linkin Park, but I must they made some great music
I agree that Linkin Park were far more hatable than Nickelback
A lot of other people have said it but they are a very generic band. Not really bad, not really good. Im remembering what early-ish social media was like at this point. The same people that couldn't help but tell you how much nickelback sucked also couldn't stop talking about how much they love bacon, getting little mustache tattoos on their finger, and sharing posts from "i fucking love science." They reside on reddit and twitter now and think you are super racist and lgbtqiapedophobic.
I never liked Nickelback. They were bland and generic and sounded like a beer or pick-up commercial. They didn't affect me enough for me to hate them.
What I did grow to hate was the memeing of "lol Nickelback sucks" which made all the no-effort, hackneyed jokes inescapable.
The jokes were duller and more predictable than Nickelback's music.
Wanna hear a heresy that's gotten me in trouble more than once?
That's how I feel about Foo Fighters. Toothpaste commercial jingles. Aggressively okay. I have never understood why people go all gaga over them.
It's a miracle you haven't been hanged yet.
To be fair, the Foo Fighters even made a video spoofing a Mentos commercial for their probably poppiest song.
I still like Dane Cook.
Nickelback is the only good music still on the radio.
Aw, I can't find the clip of the Royal Canadian Air Farce doing "We Got Nothing to Say" (Nickelback Parody.)
Anyway, Bryan Adams caught the same shit in the 90s, because he was overplayed on Canadian radio. Couldn't get away from him, either.
That's the problem with Canadian Content rules, sometimes a band/singer is just there for legal filler.
And I've been to Hanna. It's basically where people from Drumheller go to cause trouble (because Drum is a prison town, and the RCMP there are a little more no-nonsensey than other places.)
I don't know if it was so much that they were "bad" but that they weren't really doing anything a bunch of other bands were already doing at the time. From what I remember they were pretty much from the same mold as Pearl Jam and Creed, and Creed already was being criticized for having a somewhat generic sound.
Back in the radio days you kinda had to have some sort of unique sound to stand out from all the other music being played, and I don't remember them doing that.
t. Rock music enjoyer who was in high school when Nickelback was at its peak and who thought the indie and/or internet music scene of the day was rather pretentious.
They sucked.