Figured the Ukraine would have given up by now, but apparently they still enjoy the meat grinder. That said it has been interesting watching the Russians display the new land warfare doctrine of the 21st century.
The other interesting consideration is whether Zelenzkys leash holders are demanding he try for terms or if he's acting of his own accord. From the past year it's fairly apparent that the proverbial they absolutely own his ass, so one would assume that he's still on their strings.
If so, then one wonders what new nonsense they'll move on to after this.
Zelinsky is being paid to continue a war that can kill his political enemies and secure his base of power.
No shit, the war continued.
This is like when the UN initiated "Cease Fires" during the Arab-Israeli Wars. If they hadn't done that, the Arabs would have been fucking wiped out, so international forces got together to prolong the conflict in the interests of the Arabs, and in their own interests of perpetuating the conflict for strategic and economic reasons.
Kill? Both Azov (the entire movement tens of thousands members and supporters) and RS only got strengthened since February. Vastly so. Azov now have a brigade and actual popular following as heroes everywhere and not just Mariupol. RS finally got the regular status for their militias and weapons from the government, and also have more members and supporters than ever.
There's also a general radicalization of the society. Massive shift right, and far right especially. While far left parties of all sorts being outright banned, delegalized.
Heres one article in some basic plain terms that should be easy for Westerners to understand:
In this, the current war has surely come as a blessed relief for Azov. Biletsky’s attempt to found a political party — the National Corps — met with almost zero success, with even a united bloc of Ukraine’s far- and extreme Right-wing parties failing to clear the very low hurdle for parliamentary representation in the last election: Ukrainian voters simply do not want what they are selling, and reject their worldview. Yet in time of war, Azov and similar groups come to the forefront, with the Russian invasion seemingly reversing the downward spiral that set in for them following Avakov’s resignation due to international pressure. Judging by their social media, Azov’s armed units are expanding: they’re forming new battalions in Kharkiv and Dnipro, a new special forces unit in Kyiv (where Biletsky is organising at least some aspects of the capital’s defence) and local defence militias in western cities such as Ivano-Frankivsk.
Like Ukraine’s other extreme Right-wing militias, Azov are dogged, disciplined and committed fighters, which is why the weak Ukrainian state has found itself forced to rely upon their muscle during its hours of greatest need: during the Maidan revolution, during the war against separatists from 2014 onwards, and now to fend off the Russian invasion. There has been a certain new-found reticence abroad to speak frankly about their role, no doubt for fear that doing so will provide ammunition for Russian propaganda. This fear is surely misplaced: after all, groups such as Azov are only prominent precisely because of Russia’s meddling in Ukraine. Instead of de-Nazifying the country, Russian aggression has helped solidify the role and presence of extreme Right-wing factions in Ukraine’s military, reinvigorating a waning political force rejected by the overwhelming majority of Ukrainians.
If anything, the primary threat posed by groups such as Azov is not to the Russian state — Russia happily supports extreme Right-wing elements in its Wagner mercenary group and in the separatist republics, after all — nor to Western nations whose disaffected citizens may find themselves drawn to a combat role alongside them. Instead, the threat is to the future stability of the Ukrainian state itself, as Amnesty and Human Rights Watch have long warned. While they may be useful now, in the event of the decapitation or evacuation of Ukraine’s liberal government from Kyiv, perhaps to Poland or Lviv, or more likely, in the event of Zelenskyy being forced by events to sign a peace deal surrendering Ukrainian territory, groups like Azov may find a golden opportunity to challenge what remains of the state and consolidate their own power bases, even if only locally.
Back in 2019, I asked Semenyaka if Azov still saw itself as a revolutionary movement. Thinking carefully, she replied, “We are ready for different scenarios. If Zelenskyy is even worse than [ex-president] Poroshenko, if he is the same kind of populist, but without certain skills, connections and background, then, of course, Ukrainians would be heavily in danger. And we have already developed a plan of what can be done, how we can develop parallel state structures, how we can customise these entry strategies to save the Ukrainian state, if [Zelenskyy] would become a puppet of the Kremlin, for instance. Because it’s quite possible.”
Senior Azov figures have been explicit, over the course of years, in stating that Ukraine has unique potential as a springboard for the “reconquest” of Europe from liberals, homosexuals and immigrants. While their broader contintental ambitions may have a very doubtful chance of success, a broken, impoverished and angry postwar Ukraine, or worse, a Ukraine suffering years of bombardment and occupation with large areas outside central government control, would surely be a fertile breeding ground for a form of extreme Right-wing militancy not seen in Europe for many decades.
It's not a battalion, it was one only from June to September 2014.
Since March 2022 it also expanded from a regiment to a brigade, but this happened only due to the newfound situation. A special situation like them special military operations
They were always promoted by Avakov. Zelensky finally forced him out in 2021.
How much do you know about Ukraianin politics? Anything at all?
Figured the Ukraine would have given up by now, but apparently they still enjoy the meat grinder.
Apart from the Azov types, the people doing the fighting aren't the ones who will lose out if Ukraine surrenders. Russia can't just hang the revolutionaries and re-install the democratically elected president they ousted eight years ago, but if they did that would be a problem for the revolutionaries, not the majority who voted for the other guy.
Well fortunately for the long term stability of that whole area, word has it that the paradoxical unit of Jewish neo Nazis are mostly dead or captured at this point.
Azov (the unit) has more members than ever, and is now a brigade of several battalions.
The Azov civilian (paramilitary) movement has tens of thousands of members.
Which is not new, because they did have tens of thousands of members (over 20,000) even before the invasion, but now they're just swelled with the new ones. And in the early days of panic massive numbers of normally apolitical civilians came to be basic trained by them (and by their RS rivals too) and got politically indoctrinated into "Social Nationalism" along the way.
They absorbed the Azov's Freikorps militias into regular units while at it. Did the same to much of the RS Volunteer Corps too.
Of course normal people will lose. Their homes are occupied, their families are displaced or even deported to Russia.
Yanukovych has 0.0% public support even in the Peoples Republics. Don't forget how he abandoned even his own hardcore supporters when he suddenly vanished, secretly fleeing the country entirely in the middle of night with stolen money, never leaving his refuge somewhere in Moscow to this very day. Now he is hated in Ukraine more than Putin, because just everyone hates him. The man who unites everybody over all divisions. Everyone would shoot him on the spot immediately, and everyone else would celebrate it. The only ones in the country who don't hate him are Russian regulars, who just don't care.
On the whole no, this was an attempt to destabilize Russia, one of the major leaders of not globalism.
On the ground, it has been a very interesting thing to observe the first genuine land war of the last few decades. The Russians having essentially adopted a creeping defense in depth is absolutely fascinating. Even with the Ukraine using boatloads of our tech they really don't have any chance here, and that's another very interesting thing to watch. Guarantee the paper generals of the left aren't happy about it.
Sever should have never even been reinforced and defended, just evacuated right away, when there were still bridges (blow them up behind them). It was a way too risky gambit, they could've been surrounded totally. But they did really well and withdrew across the river.
We both know you have never even heard about this "vital point" (a random industrial town sandwiched between enemy territory and river) before they decided to make a stand there. If you really believed anyone who told it eas any "vital point", you're just stupid. Hey, you are stupid.
Coping with T-72 cope cages, coping with running away from Kiev and their miles long lines of tanks that got bogged down, coping when they ran from Kharkiv, coping when they lost the Moskva, coping when they lost Snake Island, coping when they lost dozens of units trying to cross a river, coping when they send T-62 tanks because they are running out of the more modern T-72 remakes, coping when they use more dumb bombs and rockets because they ran out of smart munitions, coping when one lies about Ukranian super-soldiers, coping when one uses naval missiles to hit civilian structures, coping when one lies that a Ukrainian HIMARS hit a russian weapon storage by saying it was humanitarian aid with food while the explosion mushroomed(no rocket can do that, only if it hits ammo storage), coping when they have had to relocate ammo offloading further south requiring more trucks to transport them to the front line, coping when Russia with the "superior" numbers and army can barely move west, coping when they send conscripts with the idea it was an exercise, coping when they surrender or flee leaving equipment behind, coping when they send generals to rally the troops but they end up getting killed?
Don't worry, we will see them as soon as the Russian soldiers send back a good fridge they looted from some house. It needs to pay for the armata repair from that time it broke down in the may 9th parade.
Oh I'll freely admit I underestimated the willingness with which that coward Zelenzky has sacrificed his forces to try and delay the inevitable.
I ought to have known better than to assume a cross dressing Jewish tv comedian would be able to act humanely and surrender when faced with obvious defeat. It's quite apparent that his master's demanded further bloodshed.
Human wave tactics was nothing new even then. The scale and callousness with which the Soviets did so was practically medieval, especially for the time, but that was the reality of total war.
That's right, isolated mechanized columns being picked up and destroyed by light infantry was truly a novelty. But seriously actually this also happened in the Winter War, famously so (the Raate Road is a symbol of the war).
I can perhaps concede about "paratroopers doing a crossover between Crete and Dien Bien Phu but with helicopters", it's true nothing like that happened in the 21st elsewhere.
I liked the Mad Max armor from wooden logs and various crap on their trucks and APCs. Actually futuristic, in a way, the postapo aesthetics. (Stacking the ERA on the sides of BMPs was also innovative, and very eccentric as it's a cartoonish self-destruction contraption.)
DNR conscripts with the Mosin Nagants and WWII helmets and OMON with riot gear and riot trucks sent as a spearhead completed the whole package.
Figured the Ukraine would have given up by now, but apparently they still enjoy the meat grinder. That said it has been interesting watching the Russians display the new land warfare doctrine of the 21st century.
The other interesting consideration is whether Zelenzkys leash holders are demanding he try for terms or if he's acting of his own accord. From the past year it's fairly apparent that the proverbial they absolutely own his ass, so one would assume that he's still on their strings.
If so, then one wonders what new nonsense they'll move on to after this.
Zelinsky is being paid to continue a war that can kill his political enemies and secure his base of power.
No shit, the war continued.
This is like when the UN initiated "Cease Fires" during the Arab-Israeli Wars. If they hadn't done that, the Arabs would have been fucking wiped out, so international forces got together to prolong the conflict in the interests of the Arabs, and in their own interests of perpetuating the conflict for strategic and economic reasons.
Kill? Both Azov (the entire movement tens of thousands members and supporters) and RS only got strengthened since February. Vastly so. Azov now have a brigade and actual popular following as heroes everywhere and not just Mariupol. RS finally got the regular status for their militias and weapons from the government, and also have more members and supporters than ever.
There's also a general radicalization of the society. Massive shift right, and far right especially. While far left parties of all sorts being outright banned, delegalized.
I don't see how the Azov battalion's support is relevant. They are not Zelinsky's immediate enemies.
Heres one article in some basic plain terms that should be easy for Westerners to understand:
https://unherd.com/2022/06/the-truth-about-ukraines-nazi-militias/
It's not a battalion, it was one only from June to September 2014.
Since March 2022 it also expanded from a regiment to a brigade, but this happened only due to the newfound situation. A special situation like them special military operations
They were always promoted by Avakov. Zelensky finally forced him out in 2021.
How much do you know about Ukraianin politics? Anything at all?
Introduction to Avakov, from 2020: https://carnegiemoscow.org/commentary/81054
Apart from the Azov types, the people doing the fighting aren't the ones who will lose out if Ukraine surrenders. Russia can't just hang the revolutionaries and re-install the democratically elected president they ousted eight years ago, but if they did that would be a problem for the revolutionaries, not the majority who voted for the other guy.
Well fortunately for the long term stability of that whole area, word has it that the paradoxical unit of Jewish neo Nazis are mostly dead or captured at this point.
Azov (the unit) has more members than ever, and is now a brigade of several battalions.
The Azov civilian (paramilitary) movement has tens of thousands of members.
Which is not new, because they did have tens of thousands of members (over 20,000) even before the invasion, but now they're just swelled with the new ones. And in the early days of panic massive numbers of normally apolitical civilians came to be basic trained by them (and by their RS rivals too) and got politically indoctrinated into "Social Nationalism" along the way.
They absorbed the Azov's Freikorps militias into regular units while at it. Did the same to much of the RS Volunteer Corps too.
Reconstituting a destroyed unit is a simple matter of paperwork. The guys who conducted the coup are nearly all dead, and good riddance.
Ukraine has received tens of billions from the US to keep it going. Imagine how much Zelensky and his cronies are filling their Swiss accounts.
It looks like the rest of the world can't stand much more of our proxy war.
Dude demanded 750 billion more. He wants all he can get
Of course normal people will lose. Their homes are occupied, their families are displaced or even deported to Russia.
Yanukovych has 0.0% public support even in the Peoples Republics. Don't forget how he abandoned even his own hardcore supporters when he suddenly vanished, secretly fleeing the country entirely in the middle of night with stolen money, never leaving his refuge somewhere in Moscow to this very day. Now he is hated in Ukraine more than Putin, because just everyone hates him. The man who unites everybody over all divisions. Everyone would shoot him on the spot immediately, and everyone else would celebrate it. The only ones in the country who don't hate him are Russian regulars, who just don't care.
Ukraine is not fighting, they are delaying. This was never about Ukraine.
On the whole no, this was an attempt to destabilize Russia, one of the major leaders of not globalism.
On the ground, it has been a very interesting thing to observe the first genuine land war of the last few decades. The Russians having essentially adopted a creeping defense in depth is absolutely fascinating. Even with the Ukraine using boatloads of our tech they really don't have any chance here, and that's another very interesting thing to watch. Guarantee the paper generals of the left aren't happy about it.
What the fuck is "creeping defense" lmao
You just made it up right now.
They're the ones who are supposed to be on attacking not defending. Good lord you're so retarded.
Further ignorance on your part. Not only of the situation at hand, but of the well known concept of defense in depth.
Why did Putin attempt to destabilize Russia?
They've delayed back near half of the lost territory already.
https://images.english.elpais.com/resizer/yh5b5J6IEnimoZXvQS6CLmTZ2nk=/1960x1470/cloudfront-eu-central-1.images.arcpublishing.com/prisa/XFPCNDWHXJDLDGWXAZ52VQELUU.PNG
The first 2 days were a catastrophe, yes.
lol
@supremereader, You will have fun with this one!
Do tell. I'd love to hear more cope. Perhaps it's how Severodonetsk wasn't really a vital holding point after all?
Sever should have never even been reinforced and defended, just evacuated right away, when there were still bridges (blow them up behind them). It was a way too risky gambit, they could've been surrounded totally. But they did really well and withdrew across the river.
We both know you have never even heard about this "vital point" (a random industrial town sandwiched between enemy territory and river) before they decided to make a stand there. If you really believed anyone who told it eas any "vital point", you're just stupid. Hey, you are stupid.
Coping with T-72 cope cages, coping with running away from Kiev and their miles long lines of tanks that got bogged down, coping when they ran from Kharkiv, coping when they lost the Moskva, coping when they lost Snake Island, coping when they lost dozens of units trying to cross a river, coping when they send T-62 tanks because they are running out of the more modern T-72 remakes, coping when they use more dumb bombs and rockets because they ran out of smart munitions, coping when one lies about Ukranian super-soldiers, coping when one uses naval missiles to hit civilian structures, coping when one lies that a Ukrainian HIMARS hit a russian weapon storage by saying it was humanitarian aid with food while the explosion mushroomed(no rocket can do that, only if it hits ammo storage), coping when they have had to relocate ammo offloading further south requiring more trucks to transport them to the front line, coping when Russia with the "superior" numbers and army can barely move west, coping when they send conscripts with the idea it was an exercise, coping when they surrender or flee leaving equipment behind, coping when they send generals to rally the troops but they end up getting killed?
Ah gish gallops. Utterly devoid of real meaning.
It was an amazing display indeed. Still waiting for the "real Russian forces" to arrive, all these Armatas and Sotniks and oh my.
Any day now!
Don't worry, we will see them as soon as the Russian soldiers send back a good fridge they looted from some house. It needs to pay for the armata repair from that time it broke down in the may 9th parade.
#RealRussianForces had a lot of believers:
https://twitter.com/NOT2FAST/status/1498047285652979714
https://twitter.com/Fueledbyair/status/1498398930886873091
https://twitter.com/HatT0r/status/1499386034542546944
https://twitter.com/PaulRoustan/status/1497879321444118528
https://twitter.com/afinlarc/status/1497697112410050562
Many such cases, sad.
https://twitter.com/medvdv/status/1043808104750731264
Also I think I made a collection of comments by the winredditors. Such as this by u/Kaarous
https://kotakuinaction2.win/p/142BJfkaTU/x/c/4OVxMmxRYms
Oh I'll freely admit I underestimated the willingness with which that coward Zelenzky has sacrificed his forces to try and delay the inevitable.
I ought to have known better than to assume a cross dressing Jewish tv comedian would be able to act humanely and surrender when faced with obvious defeat. It's quite apparent that his master's demanded further bloodshed.
The first saved winreddit post, congratulations!
See you again after they won.
hahahahaha that is hilarious! And he is trying to cope with it, seething. He needs to dilate though.
It's pretty clear you don't know what any of those terms actually mean, especially dilate.
It was almost as good as "the new land warfare doctrine of the 20th century" they displayed in the Winter War.
Human wave tactics was nothing new even then. The scale and callousness with which the Soviets did so was practically medieval, especially for the time, but that was the reality of total war.
Noticeably that is not the case here.
That's right, isolated mechanized columns being picked up and destroyed by light infantry was truly a novelty. But seriously actually this also happened in the Winter War, famously so (the Raate Road is a symbol of the war).
I can perhaps concede about "paratroopers doing a crossover between Crete and Dien Bien Phu but with helicopters", it's true nothing like that happened in the 21st elsewhere.
I liked the Mad Max armor from wooden logs and various crap on their trucks and APCs. Actually futuristic, in a way, the postapo aesthetics. (Stacking the ERA on the sides of BMPs was also innovative, and very eccentric as it's a cartoonish self-destruction contraption.)
DNR conscripts with the Mosin Nagants and WWII helmets and OMON with riot gear and riot trucks sent as a spearhead completed the whole package.
War, war never changes, and neither the Russian war doctrine.