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WaPo: This July 4, let’s declare our independence from the Founding Fathers (archive.ph)
posted 3 years ago by Ahaus667 3 years ago by Ahaus667 +17 / -0
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– FuckGenderPolitics 15 points 3 years ago +15 / -0

We'd do far better to declare our independence from the self appointed intelligentsia who've taken it upon themselves to tell the little people how to live. A good start would be denying the "experts" and the sorry excuses for journalists any role in the political conversation.

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– TentElephant 13 points 3 years ago +13 / -0

This seems like the right time to whip out some spicy founder quotes.

...the Number of purely white People in the World is proportionably very small. All Africa is black or tawny. Asia chiefly tawny. America (exclusive of the new Comers) wholly so. And in Europe, the Spaniards, Italians, French, Russians and Swedes, are generally of what we call a swarthy Complexion; as are the Germans also, the Saxons only excepted, who with the English, make the principal Body of White People on the Face of the Earth. I could wish their Numbers were increased. And while we are, as I may call it, Scouring our Planet, by clearing America of Woods, and so making this Side of our Globe reflect a brighter Light to the Eyes of Inhabitants in mars or Venus, why should we in the Sight of Superior Beings, darken its People? why increase the Sons of Africa, by Planting them in America, where we have so fair an Opportunity, by excluding all Blacks and Tawneys, of increasing the lovely White and Red? But perhaps I am partial to the complexion of my Country, for such Kind of Partiality is natural to Mankind.

-Benjamin Franklin, Observations Concerning the Increase of Mankind

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– daberoniandcheese 12 points 3 years ago +12 / -0

But we need to liberate ourselves from the toxic belief that those men were perfect in all things, vessels of sacred wisdom that must bind our society today no matter how much damage it might cause.

Oh look, it's a strawman!

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– FuckGenderPolitics 17 points 3 years ago +17 / -0

A strawman that's still far closer to the truth than what these Marxists are pushing. Our problems are largely a result of deviating from their vision of what the nation should have been. Our politics are so toxic because they're so high stakes. They're so high stakes because everything has become so federalized, which is contrary to the Founders' vision. The vast majority of divisive issues should be handled at the state level, so communities with different values can coexist under federalism. It's the left's unquenchable thirst for power that's poisoning the whole enterprise, and the Founders warned us about this.

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– Assassin47 8 points 3 years ago +8 / -0

Also End The Fed. Even if we get rid of it, having a centralized money supply encourages the bankers to prop up the federal government. Maybe if there's one thing about the Founders' vision we could change it would be the US Treasury. Let us have competing currencies. Personally I would also make every federal law sunset, and provide legal framework for states to secede or to be kicked out by all the other states.

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– Ahaus667 [S] 10 points 3 years ago +10 / -0

It gets far worse, he begins larping that somehow the founding fathers would call it insane to keep that structure and integrity of the constitution.

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– daberoniandcheese 8 points 3 years ago +8 / -0

Not gonna lie, didn't make it that far.

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– deleted 5 points 3 years ago +5 / -0
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– AntonioOfVenice 8 points 3 years ago +8 / -0

He did. The difference is that Jefferson had a solid philosophical basis for what he said. He believed that the living could not bind future generations.

This jackass, on the other hand, wants to repudiate the FF because it's to his immediate political advantage. Like everything else that GAE elites do.

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– Ahaus667 [S] 3 points 3 years ago +3 / -0

Even more so this was also the reason behind the ability to amend the constitution and the ability to ratify the states.

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– AntonioOfVenice 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0

Was it? I thought he meant it like a sunset provision kind of thing - that you'd have to re-ratify the Constitution 19/20 years from now, or adopt a new one in its place.

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– Ahaus667 [S] 3 points 3 years ago +3 / -0

That was one of the concepts. The “living” constitution was then end result as there could always be amendments added and the constitutional convention of states was also meant to address the aging of the constitution. The thought being that something truly difficult to achieve with the overwhelming support of the people could peacefully amend the constitution. Jefferson’s idea was good but I believe even then they knew the ideologues would abuse that system.

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– loubag1997 10 points 3 years ago +10 / -0

This is not a call to repudiate the men who signed the Declaration of Independence and crafted the Constitution. We don’t have to tear down every statue of them (though frankly the statues don’t do anyone much good), or cast them only as villains in our national story.

That’s what he’s saying now… but wait until a few months when he’ll completely change course and say exactly what he’s claiming now not to be saying.

Also… it’s already happened in Canada. The ‘fathers of Canadian Confederation’ here are completely reviled by the mainstream media and state broadcaster.

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– Brennus 8 points 3 years ago +8 / -0

Lefties are free to leave whenever. We would prefer it really

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– AntonioOfVenice 6 points 3 years ago +6 / -0

First thing that loaded was the profile picture.

Quite a notorious figure, even by the standards of the Washington Post.

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– Ahaus667 [S] 6 points 3 years ago +6 / -0

Two hundred and forty-six years ago, Americans did something extraordinary, declaring their independence from a colonial rule enforced from a great distance with the cruel and arbitrary hand of oppression. And now it’s time for us to declare our own independence, from Founding Father fetishism.

How about no?

This is not a call to repudiate the men who signed the Declaration of Independence and crafted the Constitution. We don’t have to tear down every statue of them (though frankly the statues don’t do anyone much good), or cast them only as villains in our national story.

Then why do you?

But we need to liberate ourselves from the toxic belief that those men were perfect in all things, vessels of sacred wisdom that must bind our society today no matter how much damage it might cause.

Oh my! I’m hearing a sales pitch for communism

As we’ve seen recently, the American right has found in the framers an extraordinarily effective tool with which they can roll back social progress and undermine our democracy. It may have found its most ridiculous manifestation in the tea party movement that emerged when Barack Obama was president, when people started prancing around in tricorn hats and every Republican was supposed to have a favorite Founder. But today it has gone from an affectation to a weapon, and a brutally effective one.

Haha history, who wants or needs that?

Originalism was a scam from the start, a foolproof methodology for conservatives to arrive at whatever judicial result matches their policy preferences: Cherry-pick a few quotes from the Federalist Papers, cite an obscure 1740 ordinance from the Virginia colony one of your clerks dug up, then claim that scripture leads us inexorably to only one outcome.

And you side cites what exactly? That murder is legal because of some crazy notion that privacy supersedes human life? That guns should be banned because? Projection and cowardice.

I am no spirit medium, able to communicate with the framers through the mists of time, and neither is anyone on the Supreme Court. But I suspect they themselves would find the originalist project as practiced on the right to be utterly absurd. Imagine you could travel back and describe to them the idea that hundreds of years hence we’d all be bound to their utterances and the condition of their society. They’d probably say, “That sounds insane.”

Is this guy really larping about how he thinks the founding fathers would agree with him?

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– deleted 5 points 3 years ago +5 / -0
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– AntonioOfVenice 3 points 3 years ago +3 / -0

Saudi Arabia doesn't let immigrants in, let alone infidels.

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– ArtemisFoul 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0

They're parasites, they can't survive without a host to suck blood out of.

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– Valis3 3 points 3 years ago +3 / -0

Independence from Blackrock would be better.

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– deleted 11 points 3 years ago +11 / -0
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– Kalamander85 6 points 3 years ago +6 / -0

outlaw anyone who maintains dual citizenship with Israel from politics or the press

Why end it there? Personally I'm against any form of dual citizenship, period. You want to be a US citizen? Then you renounce your home country. Teddy had it right in that regard.

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– deleted 8 points 3 years ago +8 / -0

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