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What did Russia Today mean by this? (media.kotakuinaction2.win)
posted 3 years ago by SupremeReader 3 years ago by SupremeReader +54 / -0
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– Steampunk_Moustache 57 points 3 years ago +57 / -0

Russia may well be the most ethnically and religiously diverse country in Europe.

This is true, but crucially, there is no continuous shaming of western, Christian Russian population, and no two-tier justice system where Muslims get to rape Christian girls with impunity.

Russia is unironically a case study for how to manage a diverse population; You just fucking kill anyone who causes trouble.

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– almond_activator 14 points 3 years ago +14 / -0

Russia is unironically a case study for how to manage a diverse population; You just fucking kill anyone who causes trouble.

On a long enough timeline, you'll cease to be diverse. The last remaining group will be the final ones with a turn to decide what is 'trouble'.

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– Steampunk_Moustache 8 points 3 years ago +8 / -0

On a long enough timeline, humans are extinct.

What I'm saying is that that's not really a useful metric. You can say 'Oh, in another 1,000 years the Bantu people will be the only people in sub-saharan Africa', but... Will they? Anything can happen.

For all we know, 500 years from now, Russia is a monarchic theocracy ruled by Mohammed Jesus Moses Buddha, the greatest holy man in human history, the 12th imam, the seventh seal, the reincarnating god-king who has united all of Eurasia, and all it took was the eradication of a billion uncooperative chinks.

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– almond_activator 3 points 3 years ago +3 / -0

At the rate we're accelerating down the slope, that might be within our lifetimes.

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– SupremeReader [S] 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2019/03/05/russia-will-be-one-third-muslim-in-15-years-chief-mufti-predicts-a64706

Around 30 percent of the Russian population will practice Islam within the next 15 years, Russia’s grand mufti has predicted, citing demographic trends.

Archpriest Dmitry Smirnov, an official in Russia’s Orthodox Church, agreed with Gainutdin’s forecast and predicted that “there won't be any Russians left in 2050.”

“It’s too late,” he told the Govorit Moskva radio station when asked if the demographic trend could be reversed.

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– Questionable 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

And that is for them to decide. You seem to assume to know what those choices and answers will be. Where in fact, their is no scenario where your thoughts on this matter will be proven correct.

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– nikgtasa 9 points 3 years ago +9 / -0

Study russian crime statistics by race or religion before making such claims. Oh wait, they're censored. Probably because it's the illegal immigrants from muslim countries and regions are doing their rape reps.

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– CumUnitiesWin 9 points 3 years ago +9 / -0

This is incorrect. Russia censors people who talk about mass immigration from middle asian shitholes and North Caucasus. Half of Moscow is muslim, Chechnya and other muslim republics within Russian federation are a massive drain on the budget. They are essentially being subsidised by ethnic russians. Also, Russian white population has been decreasing massively, but overall Russian population is stagnant. The reason is massive immigration from middle asian shitholes. Also, Russia doesn't have self-defence rights. If you get attacked in your own home, you have to use the same force that the invader uses. And if you inflict bigger damage on the invader than you get damaged, then you go to prison. With the crime rates in Russia mirroring those in USA (non-whites commit disproportionately more crime) this means that non-whites are free to rob and murder whites. Corrupt judges set chechens free, but will punish a white guy for a smallest offence

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– Questionable 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0

Or to say:

Why not both?

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– TakenusernameA 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0

Honestly its a case study in how to manage any low-trust population, as well as how to recover from near collapse due to failed economic systems in a hostile global environment.

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– dagthegnome 45 points 3 years ago +45 / -0

Russia is a nation-state that acts in its own interests, which is all the dissident right in the West really wants from our own governments.

The Russian government, after three decades of provocation, is fighting a war to protect Russian interests. Western governments are engaged in perpetual proxy wars all over the world, as well as an endless economic and cultural war against the very citizens they govern, which only serves the interests of a very small elite.

Whatever anyone thinks of Putin or his actions in Ukraine, what he's done is forced the media and managerial class in the West to confront the possibility that the oligarchic Utopian monoculture that they've been so committed to is not and will never be the real world.

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– Assassin47 19 points 3 years ago +19 / -0

what he's done is forced the media and managerial class in the West to confront the possibility that the oligarchic Utopian monoculture that they've been so committed to is not and will never be the real world

It proves the need for a permanent multipolar world. Whether we like the other axes or not, only power can challenge power.

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– lgbtqwtfbbq 17 points 3 years ago +17 / -0

You asked me - who am I, friend or foe? Relations between States are not built in quite the same way as they are between people. I'm not your friend, I'm not your bride or your groom. I am the President of the Russian Federation: 146 million people who have certain national interests. It is my job to protect those interests.

- Vladimir Putin, 2016

Which is indeed what I want from my government. Though of course even Biden would say something like that if so prompted. Does Putin actually live up to those words? I don't know: I'm American, not Russian. Though I'm certainly distrustful of "my" government and press who tells me he doesn't, and who promote his opponents who seem to go out of their way to be relatable and likeable to mainstream Westerners.

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– Steampunk_Moustache 13 points 3 years ago +13 / -0

Does Putin actually live up to those words?

Compared to his predecessors, yes. ...Though that's not a high bar.

It is worth saying, though, that whatever his true agenda, he is atleast not actively destroying the culture of the people he rules.

In a century, Russians will still still know who they are.

Americans and Europeans are already unsure. In a century, we won't have a clue. We'll be completely deracinated.

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– deleted 7 points 3 years ago +7 / -0
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– nikgtasa 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

Sorry man but most of the russians are not interested to be at war or being sanctioned by half the world. Don't mix putin and russians.

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– CumUnitiesWin 3 points 3 years ago +3 / -0

Most of them support the war

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– Assassin47 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0

There's no way to know what most Russians support, if they can even be bothered to have an opinion on something they have no control over. (and might be punished for) It's an American decadence that we all want to have an opinion on every issue no matter how uninformed we are about it, or how insignificant we are to the machinations of the state.

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– CumUnitiesWin 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

We know that Putin's ratings skyrocketed after the occupation of Crimea, wars in Donbas and Georgia, as well as bringing back Chechnya. Nothing to say that they don't support the current war. If they didn't then we'd have seen more aggressive protests.

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– nikgtasa 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

If you believe official government propaganda. Nobody knows what most russians think because nobody asks them.

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– Grumman 17 points 3 years ago +17 / -0

A link, since the OP failed to provide it.

It is possible that this op-ed is just RT giving one of their foreign-born journalists room to air his grievances against the far right, with the disclaimer that "The statements, views and opinions expressed in this column are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of RT."

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– Brennus 15 points 3 years ago +15 / -0

Probably means that just because the west is currently ran by morons doesn’t mean Russia = savior of western values. And I’ve seen it here people singing the praises of Russia (or even Islam). It’s possible for both Ukraine, the west, and Russia to all be lead by corrupt tyrants simultaneously.

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– TakenusernameA 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0

Russias corrupt tyrants have at least been honest about being corrupt tyrants outside of the U.S.S.R, but no one pretended to believe them even then.

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– nikgtasa 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0

No they weren't.

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– SupremeReader [S] 10 points 3 years ago +10 / -0

As a result, we have a situation where a bunch of westerners are harming Russia by using the country’s name to promote an agenda which isn’t part of Russian discourse. And this is a phenomenon displayed in the behaviour of many zealots, who ‘support’ Russia as keyboard-warrior crusaders but don’t understand the place at all, in reality.

Do we?

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– Gizortnik 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

Some of the ethno-nats do... because they don't really understand a lot of things.

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– Eldourado 9 points 3 years ago +9 / -0

Russia is not an European country, but an Eurasian one.

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– deleted 9 points 3 years ago +9 / -0
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– Kweebecker 6 points 3 years ago +6 / -0

I'll play a drunken round of CS:GO with an aimbot on while screaming senselessly, in their honor.

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– RealDrJester 5 points 3 years ago +5 / -0

I wish there was a subscribe button so I could get a notification for every sperging and tears these words will give to the resident stormcuck here.

Just like in molotov-ribbentropp pact, these two groups love each other.

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– RaisingPhoenix 5 points 3 years ago +5 / -0

Their point is Russia doesn't particularly care about you if you aren't Russian / from Russia.

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– TakenusernameA 6 points 3 years ago +6 / -0

As it should be.

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– Gizortnik 4 points 3 years ago +4 / -0

It's kind of what the anti-Putin people in the west have been trying to tell the political right for a while: Putin is using rightist rhetoric as a weapon to undermine the establishment alone.

He is not a rightist. He never was, and he never will be. He is a Russian Nationalist in the Left Wing sense of Nationalism, as in a Nationalism stemming from Communism, as many "Old Left" communists were. This is because the Old Left understood Nationalism as Progressive Anti-Colonial Movements, which they typically are.

They were trying to explain that he's basically an SJW. That when he says he wants to de-Nazify Ukraine, he's actually not using Leftist rhetoric, he really believes that.

And he's right. The Fabians put him in power after Yeltsin because Yeltsin was so fucking broken and drunk that he couldn't continue, and the quiet former intelligence officer seemed like he would be controllable. He wasn't. Putin didn't like what the Fabians were doing to Russia, and Fabians always look like Capitalists to Communists. He looked at how the Fabian Socialists had been ravaging Russia, and saw it as Russia's version of Late Stage Capitalism that needed to be corrected.

This is also why Russia published a number of articles back in 2008 claiming the GFC was "the death-knell of capitalism". Russia is not a Rightist state. It's still Leftist, but not of the Western canon of Leftism.

As the Fabians did with Mussolini and Hitler, they condemned him as a Rightist after the supported and praised him for his Leftist policies and agendas, because he had challenged their specific authority. This is what Leftists always do. Hell, it's why Stalin called Social Democrats in Spain: "Trotskyite Fascists".

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– TakenusernameA 3 points 3 years ago +3 / -0

Actions speak louder than words.

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– deleted 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0
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– Valis3 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

And lots of nazis inside your military too. Russia has (alomst) it all. The only think lacking is trannies in their ranks.

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– Questionable 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

What they meant by this, or more accurately what they have proven by making this statement, is that they have fallen for the propaganda against white American conservatives. That they have no idea what they are talking about, as none of their talking points about Putin and his government push back against conservative Americans.

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– deleted 12 points 3 years ago +12 / -0

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