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Boris Johnson Proposes Sending Tanks to Poland, Concedes Russia Could Win War (www.wsj.com)
posted 4 years ago by Hing 4 years ago by Hing +32 / -0
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– ailurus 23 points 4 years ago +23 / -0

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Concedes Russia could win war? I'm fairly certain Putin has already achieved a good part of his main objectives.

His troops have secured a solid land route to Crimea.

He's seen that, for the most part, the Western leaders are a bunch of pansies.

If, as many people have speculated, the next BRICS meeting in June ends up with a counter to SWIFT (which they've already been working on), Russia will pretty much be better off economically than it was before the invasion.

From my perspective, the only thing left for Putin to achieve is to get a peace treaty with Ukraine saying "accept current borders (or, maybe, trade back the territory Russia captured up near Kharkiv in exchange for the rest of Donetsk and Luhansk), don't join NATO".

What else is there for Putin to do? Conquer all of Ukraine? I mean, maybe, but I don't see any benefit to that.

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– captain-shitpost 10 points 4 years ago +10 / -0

this. the less hysterically leftist reporting isn't exactly cheering russia on, but at least admits russia is winning hand over foot.

like larry elder went on an interview and said russia is dominating, got a shitload of shit for spreading russian propaganda, and then 2 days later NYT admitted he was right about everything without crediting him. it's like watching the 2016 election night all over again. they have fed themselves such delusional anti-reality bullshit that it hurts just that more when the truth bombs get dropped on them.

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– SupremeReader 4 points 4 years ago +4 / -0

What else is there for Putin to do?

In an opposite of "what if they declared a war and no one came", it is for him to declare the war against Nazism won again on May 9 while the Ukrainians will fight on until every last inch of their land is liberated.

They fought on for about a decade after WWII even when it was actually hopless with them completely alone against Stalin's ruthless methods. (Their own methods were actually just as ruthless, matching the Soviets in brutality if not even exceeding them.)

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– aaarg 9 points 4 years ago +9 / -0

Is Ukraine a legitimate state then, taken over by western powers in 2014, after disposing of the legal power?

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– SupremeReader 3 points 4 years ago +3 / -0

The parliament was the legal power.

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– deleted 8 points 4 years ago +8 / -0
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– Hing [S] 17 points 4 years ago +17 / -0

West, meet reality.

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– evilplushie 23 points 4 years ago +23 / -0

Weren't they saying russia would run out of supplies like 4 weeks back

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– Hing [S] 18 points 4 years ago +18 / -0

Turns out fighting rockets with lies doesn't work for long. Who knew?

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– captain-shitpost 4 points 4 years ago +4 / -0

but new york times told me that was all russian disinformation! NYT would never lie!

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– TomSeeSaw 2 points 4 years ago +2 / -0

Obviously not the folk that aren't even sure if they are men or women.

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– Wizardslayer 17 points 4 years ago +17 / -0

Don't forget also claiming that Ukraine was launching a counter offensive into Russia. And that Ukraine has more tanks than Russia.

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– SupremeReader 4 points 4 years ago +4 / -0

claiming that Ukraine was launching a counter offensive into Russia

Only Russians claimed such a thing.

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– RealDrJester 1 point 4 years ago +1 / -0

They did. Russian soldiers looting stores is an example.

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– Steampunk_Moustache 11 points 4 years ago +11 / -0

Yes, the reality that Russia pretty much doesn't care how many men it loses. It will fight a war of attrition that most nations would deem unbearable.

You'd think people have learned this by now.

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– evilplushie 7 points 4 years ago +7 / -0

I knew it. Apparently the experts didn't

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– deleted 20 points 4 years ago +20 / -0
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– Steampunk_Moustache 11 points 4 years ago +11 / -0

Indeed, It's hard to imagine eastern Ukraine being populated by anyone but ethnic Russians after this, regardless of whose tanks are parked in the region.

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– SupremeReader 3 points 4 years ago +3 / -0

a surgically precise war

This surgeon must be really drunk, because it's just like Chechnya. Seas of ruins and mass graves.

I actually thought they did change, and posted here how they're going to swiftly (in like 2 days) take the western borders, super swift like Afganistan 1978, and on the second or third day thought they already won and I'm going to watch them live taking Kiev in the next few hours. Lmao no. Really should have known better. Looking back, I was pretty damn silly for me to believe they did reform and prepare. I know it's better to overestimate than to underestimate the enemy, but still. I guess I just forgot it's really just the Russians.

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– current_horror 9 points 4 years ago +9 / -0

Damn, you guys really do have a burning eternal hatred for Russians. Explains why all your media endlessly demonizes a white Christian nation.

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– SupremeReader 1 point 4 years ago +1 / -0

We are a white Christian nation, they're a multiracial multireligious nation (and mostly in Asia).

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– deleted 6 points 4 years ago +6 / -0
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– dnile1000bc 8 points 4 years ago +8 / -0

Wait a minute. The media has been telling me Russia was failing, Zelensky has crushed the Russion advance and Putty Putin was crying!

Did I get lied to?!

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– TomSeeSaw 1 point 4 years ago +1 / -0

Hey at least you aren't in Canada, where the media says unexplained heart attacks are because of ..... Honking.

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– aaarg 4 points 4 years ago +4 / -0

Britain has his Johnson like the US has his Biden, if you know what I mean.

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– Tralfaz 3 points 4 years ago +3 / -0

Portland next.

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– TomSeeSaw 2 points 4 years ago +2 / -0

Glassing is the only strategy there.

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– AntonioOfVenice 3 points 4 years ago +3 / -0

The more surprising aspect is the fact that they can freely move in tanks, aircrafts, etc. without being struck by Russian bombs.

Are the Russian really that incompetent, or are they fighting the war with both hands tied behind their backs. It's all very confusing.

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– SupremeReader 3 points 4 years ago +3 / -0

I don't know what is hard to understand here, but let me explain in detail:

https://youtube.com/watch?v=enFxS_EL2Zg

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– AntonioOfVenice 2 points 4 years ago +2 / -0

Once they are in Ukraine, I mean.

Though I do not think even the Western powers would be idiotic enough to launch a war over Russia doing what the Americans did in Laos and Cambodia.

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– SupremeReader 2 points 4 years ago +2 / -0

Laos (government) was pro-American and Cambodia was neutral and then pro-American.

They weren't in the Warsaw Pact.

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– AntonioOfVenice 3 points 4 years ago +3 / -0

Did the governments give permission though? I am pretty sure that this is what is required under international law to attack them.

Regardless, why are the Russians not striking the tanks as soon as they cross the border?

I find it very ironic that Poland is so pro-Ukraine when the current Ukrainian government is so pro-Bandera. Well, not ironic, as it is about geopolitics. But how would ordinary Polish people justify supporting such a regime as the one in Ukraine? "Sure, you worship a guy who stuffed Polish children in wells, but... eh... Russia bad?"

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– SupremeReader 2 points 4 years ago +2 / -0

The Laotian royal army (their effective forces, at least) was basically a CIA army and Lon Nol was no different than the South Vietnamese military presidents since their own first coup.

For the same reason the Americans werent bombing the North Vietnamese ports.

The Ukrainians today are friendly (and over 1 million have lived and worked or went to schools in Poland normally), while the Russians are as hateful imperialist menace as ever.

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– TomSeeSaw 2 points 4 years ago +2 / -0

The Polish just hate the Russians and know who has the more $ they can grift.

I can respect their hustle, and they are in the EU, so meh as well.

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– SupremeReader 2 points 4 years ago +2 / -0

Btw, a bit about the ridicalousness of the Laotian civil war:

Taken as a whole, the RLA was sub-standard, yet some units showed a degree of capability. For example, certain irregular sections of the army, used to hard jungle living and backed up by American advisors, were of a different calibre. Cross commented that, “instead of the sad, hapless, lacklustre creatures of the conventional army, here were soldiers who had a purposeful robustness and who emanated a dedication of a high standard.” As if to further illustrate the point, he was presented with a blood-stained Pathet Lao flag which he had no cause to believe was anything other than genuine.[xxx] This illustrated what might have been, had the main body of RLA forces followed such a model.

The true inadequacy of the RLA is demonstrated when comparing them to their PL counterparts. Cross, who as previously stated was able to mingle with the Communists freely, said his impression, “was that they were nothing more than second-class infantrymen at best, ‘advised’ by NVA cadres both political and military, without any resources of their own.”[xxxi]

The PL, while supplied by the Soviets, Chinese and North Vietnamese, were usually on shaky diplomatic ground with all three. The RLA were by no means facing an entirely united front. The Soviets especially were exasperated by “all those silly Laotian names [and] the individuals to whom those names belonged.”[xxxii] This attitude was shown when, after the PL occupied Vientiane in 1975, the Russian Defence Attaché, Tsakarov, “became so abusive to them, saying that they were so useless they were bound to make a nonsense of their victory ‘which you never won by yourselves’, that pressure was applied to have him removed.”[xxxiii]

Throughout his writings, Cross was always amazed at how the PL did not overwhelm the RLA sooner, but it should be recognised that the PL were badly trained and badly organised. They were up against similarly badly trained/organised forces in the form of the RLA. In the end the communist victory was a case of a sub-standard army overcoming an even worse one.

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– SupremeReader 3 points 4 years ago +3 / -0

Challengers are going to Poland, while our T-72s go to Ukraine. Other countries like America and Canada for example send their (modern) heavy weapons directly to Ukraine.

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– SupremeReader 3 points 4 years ago +3 / -0

Britain emerged from WWII literally bankrupt, also with London and much of urban England destroyed and the Empire finished.

Nothing but "blood, toil, tears and sweat", just as predicted by Churchill in 1940 (https://youtube.com/watch?v=8TlkN-dcDCk).

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– RealDrJester 1 point 4 years ago +1 / -0

It wasn't since the USSR hated Israel.

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