Also, damaging civilian infrastructure and injuring/killing civilians only benefits the Ukranian government as they try to pressure the West to intervene in this Russian Military Intervention.
The Russians have made sure to leave escape routes for civilians but some of the Ukranian military have shut those routes down to prevent civilians from leaving.
It's the Ukranian government/military that want civilian casualties, not the Russians.
Why else hand out AK47's to untrained civilians (turns out most people who took up the offer were gangs who then used the weapons to fight each other and loot)?
Why else conscript all males 18-60 years old and ban them from leaving the country?
They are trying to engineer civilian deaths to entice the West into defending them.
This is all about protecting their illegal operations and massive money laundering operations rather than protecting Ukranian civilians.
Presumably because they ran out of trained civilians to hand them out to, not that I am familiar with how the handing out procedure went on. If your latter claim is accurate, chances are they were trained civilians, given that your average ex-USSR thug did go through conscription service.
Why else conscript all males 18-60 years old and ban them from leaving the country?
Because it's a fucking war, you idiot. Not some minor stomping on a country with vastly inferior military that would degenerate into dealing with insurgency after cleaning up the country in few days, but actual war against opponent that has far superior firepower on paper. Now, I am sure if one day your country gets invaded by opponent with comparable firepower (let alone greater one), the first thing you will do is lift white flag and wave it around while fleeing for your life, but sometimes governments don't like it.
This is all about protecting their illegal operations and massive money laundering operations rather than protecting Ukranian civilians.
That you're probably right on, by the way. Ukrainian civilians in this situation are nothing but people caught in crossfire between aging checkist and globohomo (whether it is cooperation or conflict, fuck if I know, both work).
They are trying to engineer civilian deaths to entice the West into defending them.
That's not going to happen, and they know that's not going to happen. The West has used up all its leverage. If they actually cared about their people, they'd be looking for an armistice/peace like mad, instead of trying to fight to the last drop of their people's blood.
It's the Ukranian government/military that want civilian casualties, not the Russians.
Rather, it's that civilian casualties are good for Ukraine and bad for Russia. Obviously, neither side gives a damn if 10,000 or a million Ukrainians die, but for the fact that it harms or helps their politics.
It's not the Russians targeting civilians, it's the Ukranian military/government.
Where did you get the idea that Russia are internationalists rather than Ukraine that wants to join NATO and the EU and who is backed by Soros and his crony's?
It's easy to come to the same conclusions as he does if you see horrifying images and you don't know anything about the issue. That is why people overwhelmingly side with Ukraine.
Don't be naive. He's deleted months of his post history after I brought up all his ranting about white people before the war. It undermined his "white lives matter" BS angle he was trying to work to drum up support.
But it's naivite to think that people have to agree with you on Russia/Ukraine or be regressives. I can guarantee you that the vast majority of people are swept away by the hysteria.
You're right in the general sense but not in this case. I did my share of lurking and looking at what's been going on here before I started posted again. That account was nearly wall-to-wall shitting on white people until the war started. There is a reason he won't answer this question.
and don't care about all the war propaganda that has been confirmed to be bullshit.
There is plenty that hasn't yet been 'confirmed' as being BS. Obviously, in any war situation there is going to be devastation, deaths, horrible maimings - and this can be used to weaponize people's better instincts against them.
Any proof of actual bombing of civilians or did they break the ceasefire and bombed other stuff but not the civilians trying to escape?
I'm asking not making any statement.
Also, damaging civilian infrastructure and injuring/killing civilians only benefits the Ukranian government as they try to pressure the West to intervene in this Russian Military Intervention.
The Russians have made sure to leave escape routes for civilians but some of the Ukranian military have shut those routes down to prevent civilians from leaving.
It's the Ukranian government/military that want civilian casualties, not the Russians.
The Ukrainian government is sacrificing its own people.
Yes, definitely.
Why else hand out AK47's to untrained civilians (turns out most people who took up the offer were gangs who then used the weapons to fight each other and loot)?
Why else conscript all males 18-60 years old and ban them from leaving the country?
They are trying to engineer civilian deaths to entice the West into defending them.
This is all about protecting their illegal operations and massive money laundering operations rather than protecting Ukranian civilians.
Presumably because they ran out of trained civilians to hand them out to, not that I am familiar with how the handing out procedure went on. If your latter claim is accurate, chances are they were trained civilians, given that your average ex-USSR thug did go through conscription service.
Because it's a fucking war, you idiot. Not some minor stomping on a country with vastly inferior military that would degenerate into dealing with insurgency after cleaning up the country in few days, but actual war against opponent that has far superior firepower on paper. Now, I am sure if one day your country gets invaded by opponent with comparable firepower (let alone greater one), the first thing you will do is lift white flag and wave it around while fleeing for your life, but sometimes governments don't like it.
That you're probably right on, by the way. Ukrainian civilians in this situation are nothing but people caught in crossfire between aging checkist and globohomo (whether it is cooperation or conflict, fuck if I know, both work).
That's not going to happen, and they know that's not going to happen. The West has used up all its leverage. If they actually cared about their people, they'd be looking for an armistice/peace like mad, instead of trying to fight to the last drop of their people's blood.
Rather, it's that civilian casualties are good for Ukraine and bad for Russia. Obviously, neither side gives a damn if 10,000 or a million Ukrainians die, but for the fact that it harms or helps their politics.
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It's not the Russians targeting civilians, it's the Ukranian military/government.
Where did you get the idea that Russia are internationalists rather than Ukraine that wants to join NATO and the EU and who is backed by Soros and his crony's?
It's easy to come to the same conclusions as he does if you see horrifying images and you don't know anything about the issue. That is why people overwhelmingly side with Ukraine.
Don't be naive. He's deleted months of his post history after I brought up all his ranting about white people before the war. It undermined his "white lives matter" BS angle he was trying to work to drum up support.
I wasn't aware, if that was true.
But it's naivite to think that people have to agree with you on Russia/Ukraine or be regressives. I can guarantee you that the vast majority of people are swept away by the hysteria.
You're right in the general sense but not in this case. I did my share of lurking and looking at what's been going on here before I started posted again. That account was nearly wall-to-wall shitting on white people until the war started. There is a reason he won't answer this question.
It's only easy when you aren't informed and don't care about all the war propaganda that has been confirmed to be bullshit.
I'm sure you remember the White Helmets, Tony?
There is plenty that hasn't yet been 'confirmed' as being BS. Obviously, in any war situation there is going to be devastation, deaths, horrible maimings - and this can be used to weaponize people's better instincts against them.
Like Kharkiv shelling?
You're a shill.
We all know.
Fuck off and try again when you learn to not be such a fag.
Nah, no second chances, he needs leave.
Go fuck off before you get associated with anyone of us. Bye!