The Holodomor also known as the Terror-Famine or the Great Famine, was a famine in Soviet Ukraine from 1932 to 1933 that killed millions of Ukrainians.
It's debated whether they were targetted specifically, or whether they just got the shit end of the stick in a wider famine, but I don't think the west had quite the ambition to create this just to divide and conquer.
It's the same thing everywhere, with the West backing separatists in order to weaken countries outside its orbit - as indeed Russia itself did in Ukraine and Georgia.
'Right' is not a question in international politics. Only force is. Russia's military might is greater than its economic might, so it will use the military where Washington would like Ukraine to be nominally independent and subject to its economic pressure.
Regardless, many states have had an existence before 1917. Poland, for example. Egypt goes back to ancient times. Ukraine, never. It is an invented state, which is why I will not mourn its passing (particularly since it is serving the interests of Drag Queen imperialism), though I do hope that there will not be a great deal of bloodshed.
It doesn't matter if Ukraine wasn't a state, if the people themselves found a cultural identity outside the sphere of influence of the Rus and Muscovites. The Ukranians were still not Russian before that as they were part of the Poland Lithuanian Commonwealth.
Well yeah, when Russia was flat on its back, it recognized Ukraine and the other parts of its empire that it lost. But it is not exactly a surprise that it would want to reconquer at least the strategically and historically important parts of these. Do note that there was no trouble until creeps like Guy Verhofstadt went to Ukraine and mounted a coup against the somewhat pro-Russian thug president Yanukovich.
The point about Egypt and Poland is that they have a historical existence. They were not invented yesterday. That means that they have more legitimacy.
So? There's tons of Nationalist movements in Eastern Europe that benefited from the collapse of the Russian Empire. I'm not surprised Ukraine is one of those places, same with Poland, Latvia, and a dozen others. Cry more faggot.
Not only were many of them not Bolshevik, most of them fought the Bolsheviks because the Bolsheviks invaded in pursuit of the Red Army. In fact, many factions of Nationalists first thought they would get support from Germany, only to realize Germany would try to push them out and form a puppet government in their place.
Aren't Israeli citizens forced into military service?
Correct, but the argument of the ConsumeProduct types is always that Jews start wars and then do not fight in them. Falsely, by the way, as an attempt by the German high command in 1917 showed that Jews were more likely to serve in the military.
Also, in WW1, the feminist movement in the UK took a deal with the government to support the war in exchange for their people being released, which would lead to the White Feather Movement.
This doesn't really support your claim though. If you speak the truth, it's obvious the government was the one that wanted war, and offered concessions to those loons in order to get their support.
Barack "Women are indisputably better than men and if they solely ran the world for two years everything would be perfect" Obama started a few for them.
What is your evidence that it was 'for them'?
Harris seems too mentally defective when I hear her speak to be any kind of puppet master.
I am surprised. I think she is just monumentally charisma-challenged. You do not to such positions without having some sort of intelligence, at least for deviousness and evil. But 'puppetmastery' is simply not how politics works.
Still, Von Der Leyen and Lagarde should take full responsibility for this war, they refused to keep their noses out of it and the ECB even printed the failing Ukraine economy another billion euros.
???
I'm no fan of these weirdos, but your reasoning is rather strange.
He's right tho. There was no Ukrainian state before 1917.
And the West loves breaking up strong states so it can play smaller countries off against each other.
I know someone from western ukraine.
It's debated whether they were targetted specifically, or whether they just got the shit end of the stick in a wider famine, but I don't think the west had quite the ambition to create this just to divide and conquer.
It's the same thing everywhere, with the West backing separatists in order to weaken countries outside its orbit - as indeed Russia itself did in Ukraine and Georgia.
'Right' is not a question in international politics. Only force is. Russia's military might is greater than its economic might, so it will use the military where Washington would like Ukraine to be nominally independent and subject to its economic pressure.
Regardless, many states have had an existence before 1917. Poland, for example. Egypt goes back to ancient times. Ukraine, never. It is an invented state, which is why I will not mourn its passing (particularly since it is serving the interests of Drag Queen imperialism), though I do hope that there will not be a great deal of bloodshed.
It doesn't matter if Ukraine wasn't a state, if the people themselves found a cultural identity outside the sphere of influence of the Rus and Muscovites. The Ukranians were still not Russian before that as they were part of the Poland Lithuanian Commonwealth.
for those not vested in euro politics, please explain??
The US is the Drag Queen Empire, I believe that's a term coined by the great Darren Beattie.
Well yeah, when Russia was flat on its back, it recognized Ukraine and the other parts of its empire that it lost. But it is not exactly a surprise that it would want to reconquer at least the strategically and historically important parts of these. Do note that there was no trouble until creeps like Guy Verhofstadt went to Ukraine and mounted a coup against the somewhat pro-Russian thug president Yanukovich.
The point about Egypt and Poland is that they have a historical existence. They were not invented yesterday. That means that they have more legitimacy.
Poland as a distinct country with its own people and language has been around for almost a thousand years, regardless of territorial changes.
Every day that goes by I wish more and more that the US had a leader like Putin.
Man is based beyond measure and understands entirely what has happened to the world.
we do, the american putin is called biden.
Are you retarded?
You're comparing a puppet master to a puppet.
ok, lmao
controls media ✔️
controls what you can post on the internet ✔️✔️
bans political opinions he doesnt like ✔️✔️✔️
we literally have "american putin"
Putin is a nationalist, an Orthodox Christian, and a great leader.
I would LOVE to have Putin as my president.
That you'd compare western leaders to Putin is hilarious and shows how little attention you pay to world politik.
So? There's tons of Nationalist movements in Eastern Europe that benefited from the collapse of the Russian Empire. I'm not surprised Ukraine is one of those places, same with Poland, Latvia, and a dozen others. Cry more faggot.
Not only were many of them not Bolshevik, most of them fought the Bolsheviks because the Bolsheviks invaded in pursuit of the Red Army. In fact, many factions of Nationalists first thought they would get support from Germany, only to realize Germany would try to push them out and form a puppet government in their place.
Eastory's video on Estonia's war for Independence is actually pretty damn amazing. Go Estonia!
Sounds like a lot of political bull-shevik to me.
And God said: No one gives a fuck.
Am I finally getting through?
I'll rid this world of pointless wars, Imp.
Eh, that's not how I remember your one-balled god doing it, friend.
That was a video game quote faggot.
Remember where you are.
Yet you understand innately the point.
That's a victory in itself.
You wrote the point without me being involved.
You're already half way there, my friend.
Once you pass through the tunnel of "it was women" you'll arrive at the most logical conclusion.
Same for when you stop blaming everything from the rain to your stubbed toe on da Joooz.
I don't blame it all on da juice.
I just point out their inordinate influence and in-group preference.
Not at all.
The NatSoc movement knew well that women could be evil.
You misunderstand the point of my words and instead equate it with a specific ideology.
It's okay.
You'll soon work past it.
Truth itself shall guide your hand.
Who are 'her people'?
Explain. Who is doing this, and why?
Didn't know you hated the Jews. /s
And women started World War I?
Who has manufactured conflicts "just to spill our blood", how do you know their motivation, and what are they getting out of it?
Correct, but the argument of the ConsumeProduct types is always that Jews start wars and then do not fight in them. Falsely, by the way, as an attempt by the German high command in 1917 showed that Jews were more likely to serve in the military.
This doesn't really support your claim though. If you speak the truth, it's obvious the government was the one that wanted war, and offered concessions to those loons in order to get their support.
What is your evidence that it was 'for them'?
I am surprised. I think she is just monumentally charisma-challenged. You do not to such positions without having some sort of intelligence, at least for deviousness and evil. But 'puppetmastery' is simply not how politics works.
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I'm no fan of these weirdos, but your reasoning is rather strange.