"Their blind spot is revealed in the fact that a Black man never was successful at one of the basic and most [having a love interest]"
Uh, pretty sure black Worf got it on with Deanna in at least several timelines, he even married her.
Basically none of the characters got into an actual recurring relationship in the show because it was episodic. After every episode ends they reset back to their same basic character and role.
Geordi's real problem is that when they gave him a romantic interest in Booby Trap, the actor couldn't pull off the part without perving on Leah Brahms and the audience didn't want to see that. It's a hard episode to watch because of LeVar's acting, whereas the Worf ménage à Deanna is fine.
LaForge was supposed to be the "socially awkward engineer" trope and therefore awkward around romantic interests. Taken to 11 with the Reginald Barclay character who just decided to fuck reproductions of his romantic interests in the holodeck.
I haven't seen the episode in a while but it seems like you're just repeating some feminist trope.
My recollection was the problem was they wrote her as semi-austic girl, but then they cast her as "perfect girl anime love interest" - the reason was super awkward to watch was the contrast between how her character had poor ability to relate to men vastly over-reacted to everything, while the actress playing her came across "perfect sex nympthet" basically - it just didn't make any sense.
No one had a problem with riker having a holodeck wafu.
You know...you got a point there. TNG was inconsistent with what was considered "bad" in similar circumstances from episode to episode. I would attribute this to the fact ST was written by many different writers, sometimes even just spec scripts, so things like characterization and values tend to be a little shaky. But nobody was thinking too hard about minute continuity back then.
I remember running across other episodes and thinking that thpe writers must have watched this one, found it cringy, and went in 2 directions with it:
"Nerd Forgiveness": wesley crusher has almost the same episode except she's into him and also super hot and they agree to date forever or something at the end
"Reginald Barclay": I felt like they created reginald barkley based on the character geordi was "supposed" in the script in this episode. Match barkley up with like the actress who played ensign roe - psychologically kind damaged and unsteady - and the episode would make a ton more sense.
Could you be thinking of Wesley and Robin Lefler played by Ashley Judd? She was a perfect sex nymphette and sciency -- but even Wil Wheaton played the role slightly better than LeVar lol.
I guess ultimately my point here is there are different qualities of actor. With the exception Patrick Stewart and a handful of others, nobody in the show was actually a good actor. So LeVar being incapable of pulling off a romantic scene without turning off the audience isn't because of him being a victim of 'racist' writers, that's how he is in real life.
Like if he was explaining a warp bubble, took off his visor, and said "but you don't have to take my word for it" ba-dum-bum you'd think it was a perfectly natural crossover episode with Reading Rainbow.
Could you be thinking of Wesley and Robin Lefler played by Ashley Judd? She was a perfect sex nymphette and sciency
Yup.
but even Wil Wheaton played the role slightly better than LeVar lol.
Way easier to play a "she ends up with him" role.
I guess ultimately my point here is there are different qualities of actor. With the exception Patrick Stewart and a handful of others, nobody in the show was actually a good actor. So LeVar being incapable of pulling off a romantic scene without turning off the audience isn't because of him being a victim of 'racist' writers, that's how he is in real life.
He gets rejected because the script is written to have him get rejected, it's not determined by how good his performance. I think it's awkward because the woman is way to hot and normal, and they're trying to get him to play Lt Barkley basically, which is like trying to get patrick stewart to play a roided up bodybuilder - it's just not possible.
I think it's the tired "nerd gets the girl" trope which is annoying.
As for "racist writers" - who's the biggest Chad in the show? It's the other black guy with the forehead ridge. I would go as far as saying the writers were romance-phobic towards the white characters lol....worf got more action than anyone, and the only character who's lovelife wasn't just a 1-episode thing. Riker got relegated to what - a holodeck character?
Worf was the gigachad of the show.
What you're saying is funny but I don't really agree. I don't think levarr was incapable of seeming normal around a woman, I think episode was trying to get him to act like barkley and it's to much of a stretch.
He's trying to be cringy here, but part of it is that it doesn't match the character or actor: https://youtu.be/RphWASTSvJ8
The scene with the "real girl" is even wprse to me, because there's no way a girl this hot and normal-emotional reacts like this: https://youtu.be/8z31gO1YcNQ
If you imagine the scene as between reginald barkley and way more autist girl, then it makes sense. Modern SJW's are the perfect representation of what the kind of girl these lines would be written for would be like - loud, controlling, emotionally unstable, and nowhere near as attractive as they have this actress being. Pair that off with barkley and the scene would make sense.
It's like a weird form of disparate impact theory. If you portray the Black character as a loser in romance, you're implying that Black people are losers.
It seems like everyone from TNG turned out to be a huge piece of shit, except for maybe Michael Dorn. DS9 was better anyway, Geordie wasn’t fit to hold O’Brien’s toolbox.
He lost his shit over the Rittenhouse verdict on Twitter, and I think he’s been pretty supportive of nu-Trek. I’m sure most of them are just virtue signaling to get work, but it’s still disappointing.
My theory is that all actors are just well trained monkeys, and some where along the line some idiot started paying them actual money instead of bananas.
Dunno, I kinda have 2 theories for these:
1. Press misquotes him, or -
2. Someone shows up and tells him this is a good idea and "all you troubles are because of race"
If I understand the article right he ends up blocking the company that published the article on twitter?
I agree with the sentiment in something he said:
Surprisingly, shortly after the article was published on December 15th, Burton himself replied to Bounding Into Comics’ official Twitter account writing, “CORRECTION: My comments to @RollingStone were critical about the writer’s insistence on the tired trope of the nerdy guy being uncomfortable around women. I never mentioned love.
When I was watching for it, it was definitely the case that geordi was written as the romantically unsuccessful nerd - a position that doesn't match my experience as he's the respected head of his department. I haven't known a single boss in tech that wasn't either married or at least had kids with a previous wife - or two.
"Their blind spot is revealed in the fact that a Black man never was successful at one of the basic and most [having a love interest]"
Uh, pretty sure black Worf got it on with Deanna in at least several timelines, he even married her.
Basically none of the characters got into an actual recurring relationship in the show because it was episodic. After every episode ends they reset back to their same basic character and role.
Geordi's real problem is that when they gave him a romantic interest in Booby Trap, the actor couldn't pull off the part without perving on Leah Brahms and the audience didn't want to see that. It's a hard episode to watch because of LeVar's acting, whereas the Worf ménage à Deanna is fine.
LaForge was supposed to be the "socially awkward engineer" trope and therefore awkward around romantic interests. Taken to 11 with the Reginald Barclay character who just decided to fuck reproductions of his romantic interests in the holodeck.
Difference is Dwight Schultz actually played a socially awkward engineer, LeVar played a creepy perv.
Barclay you feel bad for the character, Geordi you feel bad for the actress.
I haven't seen the episode in a while but it seems like you're just repeating some feminist trope.
My recollection was the problem was they wrote her as semi-austic girl, but then they cast her as "perfect girl anime love interest" - the reason was super awkward to watch was the contrast between how her character had poor ability to relate to men vastly over-reacted to everything, while the actress playing her came across "perfect sex nympthet" basically - it just didn't make any sense.
No one had a problem with riker having a holodeck wafu.
You know...you got a point there. TNG was inconsistent with what was considered "bad" in similar circumstances from episode to episode. I would attribute this to the fact ST was written by many different writers, sometimes even just spec scripts, so things like characterization and values tend to be a little shaky. But nobody was thinking too hard about minute continuity back then.
I remember running across other episodes and thinking that thpe writers must have watched this one, found it cringy, and went in 2 directions with it:
"Nerd Forgiveness": wesley crusher has almost the same episode except she's into him and also super hot and they agree to date forever or something at the end
"Reginald Barclay": I felt like they created reginald barkley based on the character geordi was "supposed" in the script in this episode. Match barkley up with like the actress who played ensign roe - psychologically kind damaged and unsteady - and the episode would make a ton more sense.
Could you be thinking of Wesley and Robin Lefler played by Ashley Judd? She was a perfect sex nymphette and sciency -- but even Wil Wheaton played the role slightly better than LeVar lol.
I guess ultimately my point here is there are different qualities of actor. With the exception Patrick Stewart and a handful of others, nobody in the show was actually a good actor. So LeVar being incapable of pulling off a romantic scene without turning off the audience isn't because of him being a victim of 'racist' writers, that's how he is in real life.
Like if he was explaining a warp bubble, took off his visor, and said "but you don't have to take my word for it" ba-dum-bum you'd think it was a perfectly natural crossover episode with Reading Rainbow.
Yup.
Way easier to play a "she ends up with him" role.
He gets rejected because the script is written to have him get rejected, it's not determined by how good his performance. I think it's awkward because the woman is way to hot and normal, and they're trying to get him to play Lt Barkley basically, which is like trying to get patrick stewart to play a roided up bodybuilder - it's just not possible.
I think it's the tired "nerd gets the girl" trope which is annoying.
As for "racist writers" - who's the biggest Chad in the show? It's the other black guy with the forehead ridge. I would go as far as saying the writers were romance-phobic towards the white characters lol....worf got more action than anyone, and the only character who's lovelife wasn't just a 1-episode thing. Riker got relegated to what - a holodeck character?
Worf was the gigachad of the show.
What you're saying is funny but I don't really agree. I don't think levarr was incapable of seeming normal around a woman, I think episode was trying to get him to act like barkley and it's to much of a stretch.
He's trying to be cringy here, but part of it is that it doesn't match the character or actor:
https://youtu.be/RphWASTSvJ8
The scene with the "real girl" is even wprse to me, because there's no way a girl this hot and normal-emotional reacts like this:
https://youtu.be/8z31gO1YcNQ
If you imagine the scene as between reginald barkley and way more autist girl, then it makes sense. Modern SJW's are the perfect representation of what the kind of girl these lines would be written for would be like - loud, controlling, emotionally unstable, and nowhere near as attractive as they have this actress being. Pair that off with barkley and the scene would make sense.
His comments only make sense if you forget every other black person in Star Trek.
This article has lead me to realize I was still thinking of some blacks as mere blacks and not niggers. I guess they're all nigs after all.
There are sane black ppl but they get attacked as white supremacists if they aren’t obsessing over racial oppression 24/7
White supremacy has become more multi-racial than the most progressive neighborhoods.
I know. The fact they don’t see that is pretty funny.
It's good they didn't elect that White Supremacist Larry Elder in California.
Come to think of it, isn't Worf the only character with a love interest plotline that spans most than 1 episode?
There was that klingon woman at the beginning that resulted in alexander plotline.
He went on to date Deanna Troy for a while.
Isn't it actually that the only character to have a dating arch longer than an episode was the other character played by a black guy?
It's like a weird form of disparate impact theory. If you portray the Black character as a loser in romance, you're implying that Black people are losers.
Your analysis is too deep for that idiot.
It seems like everyone from TNG turned out to be a huge piece of shit, except for maybe Michael Dorn. DS9 was better anyway, Geordie wasn’t fit to hold O’Brien’s toolbox.
I'm afraid to ask, but has Frakes said anything retarded recently?
He lost his shit over the Rittenhouse verdict on Twitter, and I think he’s been pretty supportive of nu-Trek. I’m sure most of them are just virtue signaling to get work, but it’s still disappointing.
My theory is that all actors are just well trained monkeys, and some where along the line some idiot started paying them actual money instead of bananas.
Man that sucks, I was a big fan of Frakes. Riker was Kirk 2.0, and he's done some decent directing work in recent years.
Good points
Culture is downstream from genetics.
Ugh. To think I used to like him. Watched reading rainbow as a kid and live Next Gen. so disappointing but not surprised
30 years go by, and this guy is still salty that his character never got be a gigachad like Worf.
I think I'm going to avoid taking your word for it, LeVar.
He's just mad because that cuck Wheaton got to kiss Ashley Judd in her prime and his only comfort is stroking his warp core.
Dunno, I kinda have 2 theories for these:
1. Press misquotes him, or -
2. Someone shows up and tells him this is a good idea and "all you troubles are because of race"
If I understand the article right he ends up blocking the company that published the article on twitter?
I agree with the sentiment in something he said:
When I was watching for it, it was definitely the case that geordi was written as the romantically unsuccessful nerd - a position that doesn't match my experience as he's the respected head of his department. I haven't known a single boss in tech that wasn't either married or at least had kids with a previous wife - or two.
Well, it's on PBS, what did you expect? PBS/NPR has been cancer for years.