Good. History is history. I mean if the local area votes to remove it sure but I’m sure there are better things to spend money on. Also they need to learn to tune the people who whine about statues out. They had their 15 minutes of fame.
I would say train the normies not to pay attention. As a former teenager that thought he had profound opinions I know that if you ignore most of what young people whine about you’ll be better for it
The right can be squeaky in Europe but in America when they try to organize protests to save statues, leftists attack their march and then the organizers get sued for holding the protest! 🤡🌎
I know communists don't care about this kind of thing but something I wish normal people who may be susceptible to the whole "he ownt slaves reee" and "bad man caused war is bad 😡" rhetoric would realize is that you don't have to morally agree with all of a historic figures actions. It's ok to honor someone for reasons outside of morality.
People like Alexander, Genghis Khan, Washington and Napoleon carried out world-defining actions. And then there's more minor figures like Stonewall Jackson and Raphael Semmes who are honored simply for being bamfs.
And there's also this idea that being anti-racist or whatever other "virtue" these fucktards uphold automatically makes them a "better" person than someone like Stonewall Jackson. They seriously think that automatically makes them a better person just because Stonewall Jackson and others like him probably didn't think highly of blacks. They're that fucking stupid and simplistic in their thinking.
This is why, especially in America people should learn world history as well. For some reason so many young people seem to think slavery and land conquest is something unique to the US or the western world. I always get surprised looks when I tell people that there are parts of the world where slavery thrives
Yeah, Mauritania (in Northwest Africa) only outlawed slavery in 1970-odd, and the Saudis (ofc) only outlawed it a little while prior…
Of course, slavery in other forms, as you say, arguably still thrives…
In fact, there’s a restaurant in the nearest city to where I lived where the Indian owners kept an arguable (Indian) slave, locked up downstairs, for years…
It still exists, almost a decade later. The “left” here never protested it.
Also, (some) embassies in our capital, over here, pretty much keep slaves, but apparently “diplomatic immunity” means the government here won’t touch them…
It's about destroying the foundations society was built on so they can replace it with a dystopian hell scape. I'm most familiar with the efforts to erase the Founding Fathers of the US, so I'll use them as an example. If they successfully demonize people like George Washington and Thomas Jefferson under some pretext (slavery in this case but they would find something else if they couldn't use that), they can discredit the things that we actually honor them for, like free speech/religion, gun rights, various fair trial rights, etc. The end game is a genocidal communist state where the progressive stack determines who ends up in the death camps, and the Founding Fathers' ideas are considered "counterrevolutionary", earning anyone who supports them a one way ticket to the gulag.
“Handmaid’s Tale but woke” is a weird, scary vision of the future I fear you guys may be headed for…
Though I’m sure Atwood will probably approve, in the unlikely event she is still alive by them, lol…
Don’t worry, though, in many ways Aus is waaay ahead of you, so I won’t be able to make these comparisons when I’ve been readily carted off to the desert gulag, come like, early next year, lol… 😑
The French seem to at least have enough insulation from the Western media that they still offer up at least some resistance to this stuff. It seems that until they are willing to start erecting guillotines and living up to that part of their heritage that unfortunately their opinions don't make any difference.
Further to my previous point, this city also happens to contain one of the most beautiful cathedrals in the world…
If they can do this, in Rouen town square, while also destroying Notre Dame from the inside out, while at the same time the Hagia Sophia (arguably more important and holy than Notre Dame) gets turned back into a fucking mosque by Erdogan, I really do fear that the West is lost, and for its future…
Also, I know a part-Arab (I think) girl who lives kind of nearish to Rouen. She was fun. She makes candles for a living, rn, no joke…
I would ask her what she thinks of this, but uhh, from experience… Way to kill the conversation dead, lol. But maybe one day I’ll ask her.
I think (some) people here are underestimating just how important Napoleon is, in French history…
Napoleon is, arguably, more important to the French, and to Europe as a whole, than Lincoln is to the US…
I’m not arguing that he wasn’t extremely flawed, or that he didn’t fuck up massively, or that he wasn’t somewhat of a megalomaniac, but… This is the man who arguably shaped modern Europe more than anyone else. More than Stalin. More than Hitler. Descendants of his soldiers (and, bizarrely, his cook) STILL make up the royal families of several European countries. His wife literally invented the rose plant, as we know it today. This is not some random “general” from history. This is arguably one of the most important people to have ever lived. And again, I’m no fan, and think the Napoleon hero worship IN FRANCE gets rather sickening at times…
So yeah, to be blunt, tearing down a statue of Napoleon (or renaming a proposed plaza in Sydney that was supposed to be named after him. No joke, that happened), is tantamount to… Something more significant than the usual statue destruction. This is like… Red guards, level.
I would argue that Napoleon matters more than Churchill, too, historically, so… I would say this deserves AT LEAST the ire that the attack on Churchill’s statue in London received…
If they were, they'd be installing a statue of some well-known woman.
Instead, they're replacing a statue of one of the most well-known men in history with a literally-who.
If they were being serious about supplanting men instead of simply undermining western history, they'd have proposed putting up a statue of Marie Curie.
The rub is that they do not want to advance the idea that western culture has achieved anything.
Good. History is history. I mean if the local area votes to remove it sure but I’m sure there are better things to spend money on. Also they need to learn to tune the people who whine about statues out. They had their 15 minutes of fame.
I would say train the normies not to pay attention. As a former teenager that thought he had profound opinions I know that if you ignore most of what young people whine about you’ll be better for it
The right can be squeaky in Europe but in America when they try to organize protests to save statues, leftists attack their march and then the organizers get sued for holding the protest! 🤡🌎
I know communists don't care about this kind of thing but something I wish normal people who may be susceptible to the whole "he ownt slaves reee" and "bad man caused war is bad 😡" rhetoric would realize is that you don't have to morally agree with all of a historic figures actions. It's ok to honor someone for reasons outside of morality.
People like Alexander, Genghis Khan, Washington and Napoleon carried out world-defining actions. And then there's more minor figures like Stonewall Jackson and Raphael Semmes who are honored simply for being bamfs.
And there's also this idea that being anti-racist or whatever other "virtue" these fucktards uphold automatically makes them a "better" person than someone like Stonewall Jackson. They seriously think that automatically makes them a better person just because Stonewall Jackson and others like him probably didn't think highly of blacks. They're that fucking stupid and simplistic in their thinking.
This is why, especially in America people should learn world history as well. For some reason so many young people seem to think slavery and land conquest is something unique to the US or the western world. I always get surprised looks when I tell people that there are parts of the world where slavery thrives
Yeah, Mauritania (in Northwest Africa) only outlawed slavery in 1970-odd, and the Saudis (ofc) only outlawed it a little while prior…
Of course, slavery in other forms, as you say, arguably still thrives…
In fact, there’s a restaurant in the nearest city to where I lived where the Indian owners kept an arguable (Indian) slave, locked up downstairs, for years…
It still exists, almost a decade later. The “left” here never protested it.
Also, (some) embassies in our capital, over here, pretty much keep slaves, but apparently “diplomatic immunity” means the government here won’t touch them…
👌🏻 for human rights. Really honestly… 🙄
qatar, this very second, is using slave labor. the profits of which are used to fund woke faggotry abroad.
It's about destroying the foundations society was built on so they can replace it with a dystopian hell scape. I'm most familiar with the efforts to erase the Founding Fathers of the US, so I'll use them as an example. If they successfully demonize people like George Washington and Thomas Jefferson under some pretext (slavery in this case but they would find something else if they couldn't use that), they can discredit the things that we actually honor them for, like free speech/religion, gun rights, various fair trial rights, etc. The end game is a genocidal communist state where the progressive stack determines who ends up in the death camps, and the Founding Fathers' ideas are considered "counterrevolutionary", earning anyone who supports them a one way ticket to the gulag.
“Handmaid’s Tale but woke” is a weird, scary vision of the future I fear you guys may be headed for…
Though I’m sure Atwood will probably approve, in the unlikely event she is still alive by them, lol…
Don’t worry, though, in many ways Aus is waaay ahead of you, so I won’t be able to make these comparisons when I’ve been readily carted off to the desert gulag, come like, early next year, lol… 😑
LOL. Chances of this passing the referendum are less than 0.
The French seem to at least have enough insulation from the Western media that they still offer up at least some resistance to this stuff. It seems that until they are willing to start erecting guillotines and living up to that part of their heritage that unfortunately their opinions don't make any difference.
They did elect a socialist. So lets not give them to much credit.
the correct course of action is to quadruple down on whatever a woke complains about.
napoleon bad? city-wide napoleon appreciation week. more napoleon statues.
Further to my previous point, this city also happens to contain one of the most beautiful cathedrals in the world…
If they can do this, in Rouen town square, while also destroying Notre Dame from the inside out, while at the same time the Hagia Sophia (arguably more important and holy than Notre Dame) gets turned back into a fucking mosque by Erdogan, I really do fear that the West is lost, and for its future…
Also, I know a part-Arab (I think) girl who lives kind of nearish to Rouen. She was fun. She makes candles for a living, rn, no joke… I would ask her what she thinks of this, but uhh, from experience… Way to kill the conversation dead, lol. But maybe one day I’ll ask her.
I think (some) people here are underestimating just how important Napoleon is, in French history…
Napoleon is, arguably, more important to the French, and to Europe as a whole, than Lincoln is to the US…
I’m not arguing that he wasn’t extremely flawed, or that he didn’t fuck up massively, or that he wasn’t somewhat of a megalomaniac, but… This is the man who arguably shaped modern Europe more than anyone else. More than Stalin. More than Hitler. Descendants of his soldiers (and, bizarrely, his cook) STILL make up the royal families of several European countries. His wife literally invented the rose plant, as we know it today. This is not some random “general” from history. This is arguably one of the most important people to have ever lived. And again, I’m no fan, and think the Napoleon hero worship IN FRANCE gets rather sickening at times…
So yeah, to be blunt, tearing down a statue of Napoleon (or renaming a proposed plaza in Sydney that was supposed to be named after him. No joke, that happened), is tantamount to… Something more significant than the usual statue destruction. This is like… Red guards, level.
I would argue that Napoleon matters more than Churchill, too, historically, so… I would say this deserves AT LEAST the ire that the attack on Churchill’s statue in London received…
They aren't doing this in favor of feminism.
If they were, they'd be installing a statue of some well-known woman.
Instead, they're replacing a statue of one of the most well-known men in history with a literally-who.
If they were being serious about supplanting men instead of simply undermining western history, they'd have proposed putting up a statue of Marie Curie.
The rub is that they do not want to advance the idea that western culture has achieved anything.
Doesn't matter, you can still fake it.
The point is that instead of a well known and/or positive female role model they use a literally-who nobody that accomplished nothing in their life.