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Kaarous 73 points ago +74 / -1

Well of course they are. The hundred and twenty million innocent people who were slaughtered by socialists stands as a logical argument against the continued existence of socialists.

Simply put, there is no moral excuse to be left wing. Even a little bit. And so those people who are evil enough to be left wing, desperately want to conceal their countless crimes against the human species, because more than anything they crave legitimacy(like all who worship Satan).

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NullifyAndSecede 23 points ago +23 / -0

https://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/NOTE5.HTM

Just to give perspective on this incredible murder by government, if all these bodies were laid head to toe, with the average height being 5', then they would circle the earth ten times. Also, this democide murdered 6 times more people than died in combat in all the foreign and internal wars of the century. Finally, given popular estimates of the dead in a major nuclear war, this total democide is as though such a war did occur, but with its dead spread over a century.

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NihilistCaregiver 50 points ago +50 / -0

I actually stumbled upon that page a week or two ago and the talk page is hilarious. You can clearly tell there is an effort to keep the Holocaust as the worst event in history.

*Edit - fuck I was thinking of the wrong article. This is the one I was talking about: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_genocides_by_death_toll

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ThatYellowBastard 33 points ago +33 / -0

Oh that's fun, you can't sort by field like you can on basically any other page. And I see all the Chinese ones are conspicuously missing.

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weezkitty 5 points ago +5 / -0

It appears you can though?

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borga 24 points ago +24 / -0

Do you know about the Seven Dwarves of the Holocaust? They all survived.

https://allthatsinteresting.com/ovitz-dwarfs-auschwitz

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NataliePortmanteau 16 points ago +16 / -0

Yeah, one specific country did something once nearly a hundred years ago during the biggest war in history so this makes them everyone's unquestionable overlords until the end of time. No other genocide have ever had such a positive effect for those directly targeted before!!

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ThatYellowBastard 9 points ago +9 / -0

I think it was Carl Benjamin who said if you could look throughout time at the faces of every conqueror, mass murderer, and genocider, most would be asiatic.

To focus solely on a small slice of time where just white people killed mostly other white people and say that's that end all be all of human cruelty ignores all the people who suffered under others and obscures objectively worse people who committed it.

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novanleon 5 points ago +5 / -0

Tribalism is so bizarre… why is it even a competition? People are compelled to pit group against group in competition when we should just acknowledge that we’re all capable of such atrocities given the right circumstances. The effort should be placed on preventing people from gaining such power to commit them in the first place. The problem are the ideologies that promise utopia in exchange for such power.

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Lexion 10 points ago +12 / -2

I was discussing this with my brother last time. Isn't it interesting that the japs who were nuked and murdered in droves aren't honored or remembered the same way.

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Assassin47 7 points ago +8 / -1

People attack them for the Rape of Nanking but you rarely hear anything about the Rape of Germany.

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Lexion 4 points ago +4 / -0

Yeah it's one of those things that I find very interesting. The how and why this came to be is very fascinating.

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trump4045 0 points ago +2 / -2

Or the Rape of Japan in the Pacific.

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the_nybbler 3 points ago +3 / -0

Less than half a million Japanese got nuked to death, and that was an act of war, not a mass killing by a ruling government.

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FBoysInc 2 points ago +2 / -0

Aaaaand I'm archiving that.

Here ya go, save it, print it out, idk.

https://archive.md/SEDzm

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novanleon 36 points ago +36 / -0

Based on the conversations going on behind the page, it seems there have been several attempts to edit or delete the page. Some of the conversations are interesting but most of them are the usual Side A trying to preserve the record and Side B trying to find excuses to obfuscate the record. Here are a few clips:

My opinion is the page title shouldn't exist, therefore I have proposed the page be deleted and am assuming this is adequate notification, without individual pings, to those invested in its content. ~ cygnis insignis 15:07, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

May you expand the context of your opinion? WeiChengChao (talk) 22:32, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

How about no 2607:FEA8:F49A:F500:844B:8EE3:6322:1D9E (talk) 13:52, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

and...

Why not have citations rather than removing information all together? Funny, because burning books and info is exactly what communist regimes do. Way to support free speech and the marketplace of ideas. Naw, just want to protect your comrades. 162.142.28.114 (talk) 14:38, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

Similar sentiments have been expressed in the deletion discussion and elsewhere, where concerns such as censorship are being addressed. Another view is finding a distinction between correlation or causation in a page detailing communism and large amounts of deaths. ~ cygnis insignis 15:28, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

The entire fascism vs. communism debate is a stupid one anyways. They're two sides of the same coin and both deserve to be derided for the evils they've committed. Authoritarianism and the fallen nature of man is the root of the problem.

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OmegaBird 3 points ago +3 / -0

Yup. I love point out to idiots that fascism is actually a left wing ideology just with different priorities than communism.

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Honeypot02 20 points ago +20 / -0

Ah yes, estimates vary, so we should just delete it instead of saying the range they vary over

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DickCactus 9 points ago +9 / -0

Unlike the firm figure of 6 gorillion which is accurate and if anything not enough gorillion

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konoplya 1 point ago +1 / -0

they're up to 11 million now. i recently read some (((article)))

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DickCactus 1 point ago +1 / -0

Ooo oo. I too saw the article. No let’s bump up those rookie numbers, let’s get it to 15 gorillion post haste!

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IJWTPFVG 17 points ago +17 / -0

communists delete information on communists

no wai

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Kalamander85 16 points ago +16 / -0

I'm surprised they haven't already

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Unknownsailor 13 points ago +13 / -0

Note that none of those lists include the two hundred plus million estimated to have been murdered by the various Muslim invasions of Hindu India.

Islam has a stack of bodies to its name that is matched by no one, anywhere, at any point in time.

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almond_activator 4 points ago +4 / -0

It started as Mohammed's sex cult, and in the absence of Mohammed evolved into a death cult. All sex cults that survive the death of their founder must evolve, but most simply turn into somebody else's sex cult (Mormons) or a financial scam (Scientology).

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PatriotPartyRising 8 points ago +8 / -0

it's time to start another wikipedia

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2rainbows 9 points ago +9 / -0

Thanks to this thread, I will Never donate a DIME to Wikipedia. They screw-up all kinds of stuff especially in medical info. I worked 4 decades in medicine, I know certain facts...

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Assassin47 3 points ago +3 / -0

And if you try to "Be Bold" and correct misinformation in an article using your expertise, an unemployed neckbeard editor will kindly revert your change and cite some policy you violated to justify the removal.

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2rainbows 1 point ago +1 / -0

Yes, Already tried Correcting them once Re Clinical hypnosis

Oh my, Wikipedia follows mainstream... medicine which is just as clueless. Really sad.

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konoplya 1 point ago +1 / -0

well, you obviously don't know that men can get pregnant and there are dozens of genders

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novanleon 4 points ago +4 / -0

Without a solution to the problems that the current Wikipedia faces, what’s the point? Considering circumstances, I’m actually surprised Wikipedia is still in as good shape as it is.

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DickCactus 8 points ago +8 / -0

They’ve been sneaky enough over the years that most people simply don’t know how bad they are, however if they’re getting to the point of actually deleting pages with legitimate information we’re probably going to start seeing a change in people’s perception to it... much like Reddit though sadly I think it’s far too engrained in the internet through searches and general content that it’s probably never going anywhere.

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PatriotPartyRising 1 point ago +1 / -0

correct me if I'm wrong but wikipedia is only a thing because google curated the search results to show it as the top hit in many searches?

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Assassin47 4 points ago +4 / -0

Wikipedia presents truth mixed with falsehoods as stories, in a neutral authoritative tone, deferring to "reliable sources" that it has curated to craft a desired narrative. Maybe that's a problem with encyclopedias in general. A real global knowledge-base would be the complete opposite: any source allowed, no expectation of truth or authority, sometimes personal opinions and analyses, with data-points just loosely weaved together by topic.

I have been thinking about an alternative lately since I find the whole idea and management of "Wiki" poor and believe it's outlived its usefulness. It was a good experiment but I don't imagine wikis being the primary encyclopedia format for Web3+. We need a distributed replacement where information flows out as small consumable "factoids" from individuals and small news sources, enforces strong connections to the original sources, stores the data on some kind of robust network (using something not domain-specific like IPFS), and is syndicated by aggregator sites where the crowd collects the factoids into topics and prioritizes them.

I have a lot of ideas but need to do more research on other distributed databases to find out what's already available and what's novel.

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almond_activator 2 points ago +2 / -0

Infogalactic was a wikipedia fork that had a more decidedly right-wing genesis. I don't know what it's been up to or if it even exists.

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when_we_win_remember 1 point ago +1 / -0

Aren't there a few?

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xpufnimi 7 points ago +7 / -0

I'm not even surprised anymore now, whatever happens I'll be just: "Oh, we are lying/censoring about this thing too"

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RondoOBlongo 7 points ago +7 / -0

But those weren't real communist regimes because real communism has never been tried, checkmate chuds!

Meanwhile, they changed the Gamergate page to call it an "harassment campaign"

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realerfunction 2 points ago +2 / -0

the ONLY harassment with any documentation or proof is that against the gamer.

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when_we_win_remember 4 points ago +4 / -0

Damn, wikipedia will no longer be my go to on the evils of communism. Next, you'll tell me I can't trust them on Israel

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Assassin47 1 point ago +1 / -0

At least you can trust them on Early Life. They can't help themselves.

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when_we_win_remember 1 point ago +1 / -0

Oh, yeah, and awards which often make to Wikipedia. They love giving themselves awards. Even in grade school, they make you submit yourself for those stupid awards, it was always 10 Asian kids and 1 jew.

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GeneralBoobs 3 points ago +3 / -0

THIS is the great reset.

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owarkp 2 points ago +2 / -0
  • Who came up with concentration camps as means of mass killing?: Socialists (Bolsheviks).
  • Who killed more people: the Nazis or the Communists?: The Communists. Both groups were Socialists, by the way.
  • How did the Dem. Party fight Nazis?: They didn't, they publicly cheered their ideological brotherhood with the Nazis.
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cxivv 1 point ago +1 / -0

is there a not corrupt wikipedia alternative?

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my-oh-mai 1 point ago +1 / -0

This is why it is important to archive.

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RealDrJester 0 points ago +3 / -3

Of course it needs to be deleted, people will use that as evidence that communism is evil, and genocidal crap. It will stop the spread of communism if others know about this!

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Assassin47 3 points ago +3 / -0

We study history to avoid making the same mistakes we made in the past. People trying to diminish or cover up such events are doing it because they want to try again.