I think there really is some novel virus out there that has the potential to completely wreck people up. More likely to happen if you're older and/or obese or have other conditions. I've seen enough data of people with truly messed up lungs (even those without severe illness) to know it's a real thing.
BUT, it isn't nearly as contagious as the media lets on. It doesn't have asymptomatic spread, and it doesn't have an R0 of 2-4. It's probably less than 1, to be honest.
In order to drum up the necessary fear, however, they've been pushing testing. Testing that we know to be unreliable and unable to differentiate between influenza or other coronaviruses. This explains why cases go up, this explains why the "vaccines" fail and why there's no good data on what a "COVID experience" looks like.
There's been a lot of positive cases that were NOT the coof. Not 50-50, but probably more like 80-20. If someone has difficulty breathing, loss of taste and smell without congestion, and a moderate-high fever as a first symptom, I'd treat that as probable coof, but these cases of people with normal respiratory illness saying "oh yeah I got it, and I got a positive test, and I beat it and it's nothing" are probably wrong too.
The real information is just so screwed up. The people who fancy themselves arbiters of information are hopeless biased, and they're being strung along by an incompetent and corrupt bureaucracy that has been scrambling for 18 months to find any consistency in its messaging.
The "vaccines" are probably useless, but we can't get a full picture because there's so many false positives in the way.
The actual,real novel virus that was released from the Wuhan lab is probably pretty deadly -- certainly not fun to get if you're one of the unlucky ones in any case. Not 10%, not 5%, but a very serious 2-3%.
I do believe Ivermectin works - I think the Indian province of Uttar Pradesh is a nice example, but I'm not willing to throw out corruption in statistics as an explanation -- even if I like the conclusions.
Thanks for coming to my TED talk, I hope it wasn't as boring as most TED talks.
My husband’s symptoms were fever
, loss of taste and smell and cough.. no nasal congestion. Also toes and fingers going from extreme hot to cold. Insomnia. I believe he had “Covid”.
He is 46, in ok shape. Not heavy but doesn’t exercise, hard worker. He was ok with a zpak prescribed by dr. After a few days of nothing.
My 1 year old at the time got symptoms a few days after him. High fever and lethargy, also positive (tested the following day when better, wish I didn’t). Her fever broke after about 15 hours, she threw up and was fine.
Maybe in wuhan at first death was at the levels you mentioned, but I don’t think it was by summer 2020 (when he had it) at all,
I agree with a lot of you said but what makes you think these people sick with respiratory illnesses are sick with something other than "the coof"? Especially when so many don't have any respiratory history? We know the PCR is unreliable but most respiratory illnesses are usually in the young, old, and sick. Not the healthy young adults.
Because everyone is encouraged to get a test with any sign of a respiratory illness.
I dunno about you, but I'm used to getting sick 1-1.5x per year on some bullshit illness, usually around the Thanksgiving time. I've been sick twice since this whole hysteria started.
Both times, I monitored myself - checked temps, regulated fluids, and got a lot of rest. Both times I was fine in 2-3 days -- likely nothing, just a normal virus going around. But I do suspect I could have gotten a positive test once or twice during the ordeal.
I just think the tests and the cases are wholly unreliable. They mean essentially nothing unless they wanted to do a study of people in hospital ICUs with acute viral infections and breathing problems as a chief dx -- they don't want to do that.
Sure. In my experience though if you have flu symptoms and respiratory involvement (not just tired upon exertion) then I'd say it's presumptive Covid. It's all these cases of cold/flu like symptoms where they flag positive for Covid are where the huge inflation is coming from imo.
but I'm used to getting sick 1-1.5x per year on some bullshit illness
and this is difference between normal immune levels to somewhat rare extreme immune levels; normal immune levels do get regularly sick at least once per year or two; extreme immunities wont get sick even once in decades
I think it's never been isolated, they have admitted the tests cannot tell the difference between other illnesses, they have admitted many diagnosis and "cases" were made without even using the tests (meaning guesses), and they have released stats that more than half the deaths also had the flu while the rest had serious comorbidities. All death mortality hasn't changed. The population of earth is rising at the same rate as always.
There is simply no evidence to believe there ever was a virus outside of the heavily controlled and censored narrative on the tv and social media.
Fraudci's emails were released at the perfect time to redirect all right wing media and boards away from the above issues, and into "well, it must have been real!!" Even as it was very, very obvious the "leak" was intentional.
It's not dead so much as unincorporated. You do it yourself or it's worthless, because everything else is ruined by shameless parasites willing to say literally any lie for a buck, and too high a proportion of pussies in every field smothering anyone who might dare rock the boat make them own up to their past incompetences.
Or maybe all of them are false, or incorrectly attribute causality.
How come people realize that they should not trust supposed experts and authorities, and yet those same people drop their skeptical attitude with semi-anonymous and unverified claims on the internet?
It comes down to what people have to gain or lose by lying. The pharmaceutical companies have everything to gain by lying, while the people talking on social media about what the vaccines have done to them and their families could lose friends, family members, jobs or any number of other opportunities because they chose to speak out.
The first thing a man will do for his beliefs is lie, as Schumpeter said.
I'm not saying that such things should not be investigated. On the contrary, they should be. Only that you can't believe unverified claims on the internet while also claiming to be a skeptical person.
I think it has less to do with believing them blindly as it does with being curious about what they have to say. People that are against the vaccine, people that think the vaccine causes adverse side effects, have basically even unpersoned. Just like people that challenge the election or censored on YouTube and other major social media platforms. I am going to go out on a limb here and say that the side being gagged is probably closer to the truth than the one doing the gagging.
People that are against the vaccine, people that think the vaccine causes adverse side effects, have basically even unpersoned
Even the CDC and the establishment media have admitted adverse side-effects. I don't think people who think that everyone who takes the vaccine will drop dead should be unpersoned (nor anyone), but they are completely nuts.
I am going to go out on a limb here and say that the side being gagged is probably closer to the truth than the one doing the gagging.
That may be, or it may not be. It's definitely not impossible for them to gag people if what they were saying is false. I think that if you claim that the vaccine will definitely kill people, they will gag you, even though your claim was not true.
I don't think people who think that everyone who takes the vaccine will drop dead should be unpersoned (nor anyone), but they are completely nuts.
I speak for everyone here when I say you're an idiot.
That may be, or it may not be. It's definitely not impossible for them to gag people if what they were saying is false. I think that if you claim that the vaccine will definitely kill people, they will gag you, even though your claim was not true.
You're such an idiot you don't even have an answer as to why the CDC, DOD, WHO, and FDA are preventing health authorities from accurately tracking death and SAE rates for the vaccines.
I've mentioned this multiple times to you before, that your ignorance and disinformation would get someone harmed or killed suggesting people to get the vaccine without doing any research or following the trends. And like before, I'll say again so everyone in this community knows: you will NEVER pay for the medical expenses of the people who suffer SAEs, nor will you compensate anyone for the loss of life they suffer if they die from the vaccines.
You have no argument. Your shilling is sickening to me. Now scurry away or deflect like the typical Leftist shill that you are.
You're such an idiot you don't even have an answer as to why the CDC, DOD, WHO, and FDA are preventing health authorities from accurately tracking death and SAE rates for the vaccines.
Wouldn't surprise me, but you haven't proven it, you nutcase.
America's Frontline Doctors gathered self-reports of more than 45,000 deaths between December, 2020 and April, 2021 caused by the vaccines
A lawsuit is not proof, merely a claim. Let's see what the result is.
I've mentioned this multiple times to you before, that your ignorance and disinformation would get someone harmed or killed
So... you say the exact same thing that the Branch Covidian tells me. Not exactly making a case for your own rationality or even sanity.
, I'll say again so everyone in this community knows: you will NEVER pay for the medical expenses of the people who suffer SAEs, nor will you compensate anyone for the loss of life they suffer if they die from the vaccines.
Nor will you compensate anyone who dies from the coronavirus because you told him not to get vaccinated.
What's the rough express? Cut out a man's tongue and you don't prove him a liar, only that you are afraid people will here what he has to say. Something like that? Lies can be disproven. Inconvenient truths can't be allowed to get spoken.
Name one time in history where the censorship was done by the good guys? Food for thought.
Even Pfizer admits only 81% of people experience little to no side effects. The media and hospitals have intentionally downplayed severe side effects despite the point it is still recommended that patients sit in a recovery room after injections. They are worried saying yes people are dying from the vaccine will kill the vaccine push entirely.
They are worried saying yes people are dying from the vaccine will kill the vaccine push entirely.
Seeing how vaccine deaths have even been reported in the lying media, like the BBC, who are 'they'? Do you really think tens of thousands of people are dropping dead due to the vaccine?
Do you really think tens of thousands of people are dropping dead due to the vaccine?
Well, according to the best data we have, yeah. It seems as if there have been at least 10,000 "vaccine"-related deaths in the western world. That we know of.
That's based on self-reports. Now scale that data for the rest of the year and multiply it by the factor of the average under-reporting figure and you might have an idea of how many people have actually died.
Well when there is literally no outlet for them to display their vaccine horror stories without them being censored or banned, it makes sense that they would choose an outlet provided to them that isn't being shut down.
The question is why isn't there an uproar over VAERS not being reported? Why aren't we investigating Doctors who pass off symptoms of the vaccine as 'anxiety' or blame it on the victim?
When there is no human trials there is an incredibly important need to document symptoms, whether or not they are related. Right now the strategy is "if we don't know the side effects it is safe" which is about the most fucked up way to distribute a new medication that exists.
I think there is a greater risk if people are dropping like flies from the vaccine and nothing is done. Because especially when deaths are involved, the truth will eventually come out, and it will come at great cost for those who covered it up.
I'm sure you've heard the saying "the plural of anecdote is not data"
Except it literally is. N = 1 is an anecdote.
Each single story isn't that credible, but at some point sheer weight of numbers becomes it's own credibility, unless you can call it into question or cast some realistic doubt on it.
You seem to suggest that one has to believe anything posted online unless you can "cast some realistic doubt" on it. I have the contrary view: no 'story' should be believed, unless it is verified.
I wish there were people who were not either fanatically pro-vaccine or fanatically anti-vaccine researching these things. I hate to be presented with the ability to pick from two sets of pure propaganda.
Meanwhile, Gateway Pundit reported on Monday that nearly 4,000 vaccination deaths have been reported to the VAERS system since July 24, an average of 70 per day.
From the website:
OpenVAERS is a private organization that posts publicly available CDC/FDA data of injuries reported post-vaccination. Reports are not proof of causality
I wish there were people who were not either fanatically pro-vaccine or fanatically anti-vaccine researching these things.
You haven't bothered to listen to these people, clearly.
For starters, look up Dr. Robert Malone.
Reports are not proof of causality
No shit, Sherlock. You aren't actually informing anyone here of anything because we already fucking know that. You're just giving a smug little speech to demonstrate your superiority.
You might as well tell us black lives matter at this point. Yeah, good for you. You're a wonderful person. But nobody credible is having a discussion that says otherwise.
You haven't bothered to listen to these people, clearly.
For starters, look up Dr. Robert Malone.
Who exactly are 'these people'? And how do I know that Dr. Robert Malone (but you could enter in any name) is not biased and/or insane? Just because someone says what someone wants to hear does not mean that everything he says is Gospel.
You aren't actually informing anyone here of anything because we already fucking know that. You're just giving a smug little speech to demonstrate your superiority.
It's got nothing to do with that. You may know that, but there are some people who are on such an anti-Coronavaccine Jihad that they even condemn Operation Warp Speed.
I don't claim that either the pro-vax or anti-vax argument is 100% accurate. But the side I'm more willing to believe is the side that is being actively, institutionallycensored, made of up of people like Robert Malone, Mike Yeadon, Charles Hoffe, Michael Palmer and Sucharit Bakhdi.
These are men who've earned MDs and PhDs in the fields of immunology, virology and epidemiology. In Malone and Yeadon's cases, they were earning six figures working for Phizer. All of them, and thousands of others, have effectively committed career suicide by speaking out as they have done: they've lost tenure or had their licenses to practice revoked, they've lost friends and colleagues who now refuse to speak to them. None of them (with the possible exception of Yeadon) are deranged lunatics.
So why would they risk the things they've risked? What do they have to gain from it? Attention from a few fringe internet message boards in exchange for professional and personal ignominy? Why is such an effort being made to silence them, and to frighten or bully other medical professionals out of voicing similar concerns? Is this the way science is supposed to be conducted?
The side that seems to be trying the hardest to hide something is usually the side with the most to hide.
But the side I'm more willing to believe is the side that is being actively, institutionallycensored, made of up of people like Robert Malone, Mike Yeadon, Charles Hoffe, Michael Palmer and Sucharit Bakhdi.
By no means do I want to compare vaccine skeptics to Holocaust deniers, but that group is also institutionally censored. The mere fact of censorship is not enough to prove someone to be correct.
I simply have no way to judge any of these claims. It's hard to say that one does not know, but I'd rather be in that position than in making a claim based on prejudices.
These are men who've earned MDs and PhDs in the fields of immunology, virology and epidemiology.
Same for Fauci and God knows how many people who are on the other side, and who we know to be consummate frauds.
All of them, and thousands of others, have effectively committed career suicide by speaking out as they have done: they've lost tenure or had their licenses to practice revoked, they've lost friends and colleagues who now refuse to speak to them. None of them (with the possible exception of Yeadon) are deranged lunatics.
Yes, I did a cursory check on Malone, and he certainly did not sound like any sort of deranged lunatic. That said, he can still be mistaken. Whether or not he is, I admire that he is willing to swim against the tide for what he believes to be correct and in the best interests of humanity. If the morally bankrupt regime can only defend its orthodoxy using terror, then that does not speak well of it, but I never had any faith in it to begin with.
Is this the way science is supposed to be conducted?
It's not even the way medieval theology was done, because there a hearing or council would be held before people were branded as heretics. Now it's just a decree from above, made by people who are accountable to no one.
But that is not automatic proof that every heretic is correct. Heretics disagree among themselves as well. There is no way to adjudicate these, at lesat for me.
I don't disagree, but as much as you're right to be skeptical of anecdotal accounts on a Facebook page, a lot of the data we do have does not support the establishment narrative. In Israel and Singapore, two of the most vaccinated countries on Earth, the number of cases and hospitalizations are rising almost in direct tandem with the vaccination rate. Show me a Flu season with data sets like that.
Why is the establishment working so hard to discredit and suppress reports about Covid cases being successfully treated with Ivermectin and other drugs?
Why are young people and teenagers being strongarmed into taking a vaccine to protect against an illness that would have barely any effect on them even if they got it?
If the vaccines are supposed to immunize people against COVID, why are we being told that unvaccinated people are a threat to vaccinated people?
Why are people not being informed about potential risks of the vaccine before taking it, in violation of the legal principles of informed consent?
How are world leaders, public health officials and politicians ever going to claw back the extreme rhetoric they have directed at the unvaccinated, if it turns out that they are wrong? Given the level of vitriol that people like Biden, Trudeau, Fauci, Scott Morrison, Dan Andrews and others have directed at people who choose to trust their own immune systems, will they ever realistically be able to come our and say they were wrong? Or are we now locked in to the trajectory, bound to follow it to its logical conclusion, whatever the actual facts may be?
I don't disagree, but as much as you're right to be skeptical of anecdotal accounts on a Facebook page, a lot of the data we do have does not support the establishment narrative. In Israel and Singapore, two of the most vaccinated countries on Earth, the number of cases and hospitalizations are rising almost in direct tandem with the vaccination rate. Show me a Flu season with data sets like that.
I know full well they're lying. So much is obvious and it should be obvious to anyone paying even the slightest bit of attention. What I am not always sure about is what they are lying about. My solution for that is to simply not believe anything that they are saying, unless I have verified it myself. But that same thing goes for everything. If a given establishment narrative is a lie, that does not mean that anything contradicting it is necessarily true, as there are an infinite possible number of lies but only one truth.
Why is the establishment working so hard to discredit and suppress reports about Covid cases being successfully treated with Ivermectin and other drugs?
Steelmanning their side, because it's not definitively established that Ivermectin does help. Even in this steelman there is no grounds for them to claim that "it does not help", as that is also not proven. More realistically, they want you to not to not get sick, but to obey.
Why are young people and teenagers being strongarmed into taking a vaccine to protect against an illness that would have barely any effect on them even if they got it?
Good question. If I wanted to steelman it, then you could say that since the vac. are less likely to spread it, this could create herd immunity. But then why shove the vaccine down the throats of those who have already been infected?
If the vaccines are supposed to immunize people against COVID, why are we being told that unvaccinated people are a threat to vaccinated people?
They don't, they just offer 'protection', which everyone around me here in Europe already knows.
Why are people not being informed about potential risks of the vaccine before taking it, in violation of the legal principles of informed consent?
Is there such a principle? I've gotten other vaccines before and no one said anything about potential risks.
How are world leaders, public health officials and politicians ever going to claw back the extreme rhetoric they have directed at the unvaccinated, if it turns out that they are wrong?
That's what a memoryhole is for. Their problem is not what they say their problem is, but that they are not obeyed.
Or are we now locked in to the trajectory, bound to follow it to its logical conclusion, whatever the actual facts may be?
You look him up and realize he invented mRNA gene therapy back in the 80s.
I saw supposed "fact checkers" disputing it and didn't have the time to look into it for myself. While I know they're probably lying, I don't know enough to judge either way.
Sure that's a bit of an appeal to authority, but it might help convince you he's not, uh, "biased and/or insane".
He may still be biased. As for insane, probably not, though my respect for the credentialed expert caste has dropped to zero in the past few years.
"You probably just had a seasonal cold!"
So then they did have covid.
Here's my honest take:
I think there really is some novel virus out there that has the potential to completely wreck people up. More likely to happen if you're older and/or obese or have other conditions. I've seen enough data of people with truly messed up lungs (even those without severe illness) to know it's a real thing.
BUT, it isn't nearly as contagious as the media lets on. It doesn't have asymptomatic spread, and it doesn't have an R0 of 2-4. It's probably less than 1, to be honest.
In order to drum up the necessary fear, however, they've been pushing testing. Testing that we know to be unreliable and unable to differentiate between influenza or other coronaviruses. This explains why cases go up, this explains why the "vaccines" fail and why there's no good data on what a "COVID experience" looks like.
There's been a lot of positive cases that were NOT the coof. Not 50-50, but probably more like 80-20. If someone has difficulty breathing, loss of taste and smell without congestion, and a moderate-high fever as a first symptom, I'd treat that as probable coof, but these cases of people with normal respiratory illness saying "oh yeah I got it, and I got a positive test, and I beat it and it's nothing" are probably wrong too.
The real information is just so screwed up. The people who fancy themselves arbiters of information are hopeless biased, and they're being strung along by an incompetent and corrupt bureaucracy that has been scrambling for 18 months to find any consistency in its messaging.
The "vaccines" are probably useless, but we can't get a full picture because there's so many false positives in the way.
The actual, real novel virus that was released from the Wuhan lab is probably pretty deadly -- certainly not fun to get if you're one of the unlucky ones in any case. Not 10%, not 5%, but a very serious 2-3%.
I do believe Ivermectin works - I think the Indian province of Uttar Pradesh is a nice example, but I'm not willing to throw out corruption in statistics as an explanation -- even if I like the conclusions.
Thanks for coming to my TED talk, I hope it wasn't as boring as most TED talks.
My husband’s symptoms were fever , loss of taste and smell and cough.. no nasal congestion. Also toes and fingers going from extreme hot to cold. Insomnia. I believe he had “Covid”.
He is 46, in ok shape. Not heavy but doesn’t exercise, hard worker. He was ok with a zpak prescribed by dr. After a few days of nothing.
My 1 year old at the time got symptoms a few days after him. High fever and lethargy, also positive (tested the following day when better, wish I didn’t). Her fever broke after about 15 hours, she threw up and was fine.
Maybe in wuhan at first death was at the levels you mentioned, but I don’t think it was by summer 2020 (when he had it) at all,
I agree with a lot of you said but what makes you think these people sick with respiratory illnesses are sick with something other than "the coof"? Especially when so many don't have any respiratory history? We know the PCR is unreliable but most respiratory illnesses are usually in the young, old, and sick. Not the healthy young adults.
Because everyone is encouraged to get a test with any sign of a respiratory illness.
I dunno about you, but I'm used to getting sick 1-1.5x per year on some bullshit illness, usually around the Thanksgiving time. I've been sick twice since this whole hysteria started.
Both times, I monitored myself - checked temps, regulated fluids, and got a lot of rest. Both times I was fine in 2-3 days -- likely nothing, just a normal virus going around. But I do suspect I could have gotten a positive test once or twice during the ordeal.
I just think the tests and the cases are wholly unreliable. They mean essentially nothing unless they wanted to do a study of people in hospital ICUs with acute viral infections and breathing problems as a chief dx -- they don't want to do that.
Sure. In my experience though if you have flu symptoms and respiratory involvement (not just tired upon exertion) then I'd say it's presumptive Covid. It's all these cases of cold/flu like symptoms where they flag positive for Covid are where the huge inflation is coming from imo.
and this is difference between normal immune levels to somewhat rare extreme immune levels; normal immune levels do get regularly sick at least once per year or two; extreme immunities wont get sick even once in decades
Don't worry, it was much more boring.
I think it's never been isolated, they have admitted the tests cannot tell the difference between other illnesses, they have admitted many diagnosis and "cases" were made without even using the tests (meaning guesses), and they have released stats that more than half the deaths also had the flu while the rest had serious comorbidities. All death mortality hasn't changed. The population of earth is rising at the same rate as always.
There is simply no evidence to believe there ever was a virus outside of the heavily controlled and censored narrative on the tv and social media.
Fraudci's emails were released at the perfect time to redirect all right wing media and boards away from the above issues, and into "well, it must have been real!!" Even as it was very, very obvious the "leak" was intentional.
It's not dead so much as unincorporated. You do it yourself or it's worthless, because everything else is ruined by shameless parasites willing to say literally any lie for a buck, and too high a proportion of pussies in every field smothering anyone who might dare rock the boat make them own up to their past incompetences.
For the sake of argument, let's just assume three quarters of these anecdotes are fake.
That still leave thousands of people.
Or maybe all of them are false, or incorrectly attribute causality.
How come people realize that they should not trust supposed experts and authorities, and yet those same people drop their skeptical attitude with semi-anonymous and unverified claims on the internet?
It comes down to what people have to gain or lose by lying. The pharmaceutical companies have everything to gain by lying, while the people talking on social media about what the vaccines have done to them and their families could lose friends, family members, jobs or any number of other opportunities because they chose to speak out.
The first thing a man will do for his beliefs is lie, as Schumpeter said.
I'm not saying that such things should not be investigated. On the contrary, they should be. Only that you can't believe unverified claims on the internet while also claiming to be a skeptical person.
I think it has less to do with believing them blindly as it does with being curious about what they have to say. People that are against the vaccine, people that think the vaccine causes adverse side effects, have basically even unpersoned. Just like people that challenge the election or censored on YouTube and other major social media platforms. I am going to go out on a limb here and say that the side being gagged is probably closer to the truth than the one doing the gagging.
Even the CDC and the establishment media have admitted adverse side-effects. I don't think people who think that everyone who takes the vaccine will drop dead should be unpersoned (nor anyone), but they are completely nuts.
That may be, or it may not be. It's definitely not impossible for them to gag people if what they were saying is false. I think that if you claim that the vaccine will definitely kill people, they will gag you, even though your claim was not true.
I speak for everyone here when I say you're an idiot.
You're such an idiot you don't even have an answer as to why the CDC, DOD, WHO, and FDA are preventing health authorities from accurately tracking death and SAE rates for the vaccines.
Facebook shutdown a group of 120,000 people who had allegedly suffered from SAEs: https://reclaimthenet.org/facebook-removes-covid-19-vaccine-victims-group/
One of those people happened to be this woman, whose daughter was part of Pfizer's clinical trial: https://www.foxnews.com/media/ohio-woman-daughter-covid-vaccine-reaction-wheelchair
America's Frontline Doctors gathered self-reports of more than 45,000 deaths between December, 2020 and April, 2021 caused by the vaccines. Read the lawsuit yourself: https://img1.wsimg.com/blobby/go/3c6a0774-cfad-46fa-aa97-af5aa5e74f00/M%20for%20PI%20file%20stamped.pdf
I've mentioned this multiple times to you before, that your ignorance and disinformation would get someone harmed or killed suggesting people to get the vaccine without doing any research or following the trends. And like before, I'll say again so everyone in this community knows: you will NEVER pay for the medical expenses of the people who suffer SAEs, nor will you compensate anyone for the loss of life they suffer if they die from the vaccines.
You have no argument. Your shilling is sickening to me. Now scurry away or deflect like the typical Leftist shill that you are.
Wouldn't surprise me, but you haven't proven it, you nutcase.
A lawsuit is not proof, merely a claim. Let's see what the result is.
So... you say the exact same thing that the Branch Covidian tells me. Not exactly making a case for your own rationality or even sanity.
Nor will you compensate anyone who dies from the coronavirus because you told him not to get vaccinated.
If something is false, you don't gag. You educate. You correct, with evidence.
This isn't happening. What is happening is grade school level behaviour of:
"No u". "U stoopid". "Shut up.".
What's the rough express? Cut out a man's tongue and you don't prove him a liar, only that you are afraid people will here what he has to say. Something like that? Lies can be disproven. Inconvenient truths can't be allowed to get spoken. Name one time in history where the censorship was done by the good guys? Food for thought.
Even Pfizer admits only 81% of people experience little to no side effects. The media and hospitals have intentionally downplayed severe side effects despite the point it is still recommended that patients sit in a recovery room after injections. They are worried saying yes people are dying from the vaccine will kill the vaccine push entirely.
You got a source on that 81% number?
Seeing how vaccine deaths have even been reported in the lying media, like the BBC, who are 'they'? Do you really think tens of thousands of people are dropping dead due to the vaccine?
Well, according to the best data we have, yeah. It seems as if there have been at least 10,000 "vaccine"-related deaths in the western world. That we know of.
45,000 deaths between December, 2020 and April, 2021, according to the lawsuit from America's Frontline Doctors: https://img1.wsimg.com/blobby/go/3c6a0774-cfad-46fa-aa97-af5aa5e74f00/M%20for%20PI%20file%20stamped.pdf
That's based on self-reports. Now scale that data for the rest of the year and multiply it by the factor of the average under-reporting figure and you might have an idea of how many people have actually died.
What exact is this 'best data'?
And accepting that arguendo, it would seem that the vaccine is well worth it - considering that it cuts the risk of death by Corona by 90%.
According to studies with no control group.
Antonio is even lying about that. The Mayo Clinic report (which is pro-vax) even admits that Moderna is only 76% effective and Pfizer's drug is only 42% effective. https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.06.21261707v1.full.pdf
Hilariously enough Yahoo! deleted the news story in order to hide the fact that the vax don't work: https://www.yahoo.com/?err=404&err_url=https%3a%2f%2fwww.yahoo.com%2fnews%2fpfizer-covid-19-vaccine-just-143124782.html
So no, it does not cut the risk of death by 90%. I don't even know where Antonio is pulling that number from, but it's a blatant lie.
Please tell me you aren’t referring to the larp that is vaers
Literally on par with the trump campaigns online collection of “election fraud” anecdotes.
I remember the actress known as Melissa Carone.
Well when there is literally no outlet for them to display their vaccine horror stories without them being censored or banned, it makes sense that they would choose an outlet provided to them that isn't being shut down.
The question is why isn't there an uproar over VAERS not being reported? Why aren't we investigating Doctors who pass off symptoms of the vaccine as 'anxiety' or blame it on the victim?
When there is no human trials there is an incredibly important need to document symptoms, whether or not they are related. Right now the strategy is "if we don't know the side effects it is safe" which is about the most fucked up way to distribute a new medication that exists.
Aren't they documented?
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/acip/meetings/downloads/slides-2021-08-30/03-COVID-Su-508.pdf
I think there is a greater risk if people are dropping like flies from the vaccine and nothing is done. Because especially when deaths are involved, the truth will eventually come out, and it will come at great cost for those who covered it up.
I'm sure you've heard the saying "the plural of anecdote is not data"
Except it literally is. N = 1 is an anecdote.
Each single story isn't that credible, but at some point sheer weight of numbers becomes it's own credibility, unless you can call it into question or cast some realistic doubt on it.
You seem to suggest that one has to believe anything posted online unless you can "cast some realistic doubt" on it. I have the contrary view: no 'story' should be believed, unless it is verified.
I think you know we’re living in a post truth society.
If it confirms my bias, it must be true.
lol the dumb cunts tried to dig up ammunition for the globalists and all they got was ammunition against them, retards
I wish there were people who were not either fanatically pro-vaccine or fanatically anti-vaccine researching these things. I hate to be presented with the ability to pick from two sets of pure propaganda.
From the website:
You haven't bothered to listen to these people, clearly.
For starters, look up Dr. Robert Malone.
No shit, Sherlock. You aren't actually informing anyone here of anything because we already fucking know that. You're just giving a smug little speech to demonstrate your superiority.
You might as well tell us black lives matter at this point. Yeah, good for you. You're a wonderful person. But nobody credible is having a discussion that says otherwise.
Who exactly are 'these people'? And how do I know that Dr. Robert Malone (but you could enter in any name) is not biased and/or insane? Just because someone says what someone wants to hear does not mean that everything he says is Gospel.
It's got nothing to do with that. You may know that, but there are some people who are on such an anti-Coronavaccine Jihad that they even condemn Operation Warp Speed.
I don't claim that either the pro-vax or anti-vax argument is 100% accurate. But the side I'm more willing to believe is the side that is being actively, institutionallycensored, made of up of people like Robert Malone, Mike Yeadon, Charles Hoffe, Michael Palmer and Sucharit Bakhdi.
These are men who've earned MDs and PhDs in the fields of immunology, virology and epidemiology. In Malone and Yeadon's cases, they were earning six figures working for Phizer. All of them, and thousands of others, have effectively committed career suicide by speaking out as they have done: they've lost tenure or had their licenses to practice revoked, they've lost friends and colleagues who now refuse to speak to them. None of them (with the possible exception of Yeadon) are deranged lunatics.
So why would they risk the things they've risked? What do they have to gain from it? Attention from a few fringe internet message boards in exchange for professional and personal ignominy? Why is such an effort being made to silence them, and to frighten or bully other medical professionals out of voicing similar concerns? Is this the way science is supposed to be conducted?
The side that seems to be trying the hardest to hide something is usually the side with the most to hide.
By no means do I want to compare vaccine skeptics to Holocaust deniers, but that group is also institutionally censored. The mere fact of censorship is not enough to prove someone to be correct.
I simply have no way to judge any of these claims. It's hard to say that one does not know, but I'd rather be in that position than in making a claim based on prejudices.
Same for Fauci and God knows how many people who are on the other side, and who we know to be consummate frauds.
Yes, I did a cursory check on Malone, and he certainly did not sound like any sort of deranged lunatic. That said, he can still be mistaken. Whether or not he is, I admire that he is willing to swim against the tide for what he believes to be correct and in the best interests of humanity. If the morally bankrupt regime can only defend its orthodoxy using terror, then that does not speak well of it, but I never had any faith in it to begin with.
It's not even the way medieval theology was done, because there a hearing or council would be held before people were branded as heretics. Now it's just a decree from above, made by people who are accountable to no one.
But that is not automatic proof that every heretic is correct. Heretics disagree among themselves as well. There is no way to adjudicate these, at lesat for me.
I don't disagree, but as much as you're right to be skeptical of anecdotal accounts on a Facebook page, a lot of the data we do have does not support the establishment narrative. In Israel and Singapore, two of the most vaccinated countries on Earth, the number of cases and hospitalizations are rising almost in direct tandem with the vaccination rate. Show me a Flu season with data sets like that.
Why is the establishment working so hard to discredit and suppress reports about Covid cases being successfully treated with Ivermectin and other drugs?
Why are young people and teenagers being strongarmed into taking a vaccine to protect against an illness that would have barely any effect on them even if they got it?
If the vaccines are supposed to immunize people against COVID, why are we being told that unvaccinated people are a threat to vaccinated people?
Why are people not being informed about potential risks of the vaccine before taking it, in violation of the legal principles of informed consent?
How are world leaders, public health officials and politicians ever going to claw back the extreme rhetoric they have directed at the unvaccinated, if it turns out that they are wrong? Given the level of vitriol that people like Biden, Trudeau, Fauci, Scott Morrison, Dan Andrews and others have directed at people who choose to trust their own immune systems, will they ever realistically be able to come our and say they were wrong? Or are we now locked in to the trajectory, bound to follow it to its logical conclusion, whatever the actual facts may be?
I know full well they're lying. So much is obvious and it should be obvious to anyone paying even the slightest bit of attention. What I am not always sure about is what they are lying about. My solution for that is to simply not believe anything that they are saying, unless I have verified it myself. But that same thing goes for everything. If a given establishment narrative is a lie, that does not mean that anything contradicting it is necessarily true, as there are an infinite possible number of lies but only one truth.
Steelmanning their side, because it's not definitively established that Ivermectin does help. Even in this steelman there is no grounds for them to claim that "it does not help", as that is also not proven. More realistically, they want you to not to not get sick, but to obey.
Good question. If I wanted to steelman it, then you could say that since the vac. are less likely to spread it, this could create herd immunity. But then why shove the vaccine down the throats of those who have already been infected?
They don't, they just offer 'protection', which everyone around me here in Europe already knows.
Is there such a principle? I've gotten other vaccines before and no one said anything about potential risks.
That's what a memoryhole is for. Their problem is not what they say their problem is, but that they are not obeyed.
I think we both know the answer.
I saw supposed "fact checkers" disputing it and didn't have the time to look into it for myself. While I know they're probably lying, I don't know enough to judge either way.
He may still be biased. As for insane, probably not, though my respect for the credentialed expert caste has dropped to zero in the past few years.
If true, that does seem like quite a good reason to not believe he is biased.
That's roughly a gorillion percent increase over usual vaxx deaths. That doesn't alarm you?
Sure it would. I don't think it is accurate, hence 'arguendo'. That said, it would still be greatly outweighed by the benefits.