Have you heard the stories of what white people went through to get to here back in the day on the sailing ships? The conditions were just as horrific as on the slave ships that was "taught" in school.
Yeah, I heard that too in the stories I read. During the journey, families were forced to push their children that died in the hold of the ship out through small port holes (breaking their bones to do it) just to bury them at sea, because they weren't allowed on the deck. Then when the ship reached its destination, those who couldn't afford the trip (most of them), they would remain in the hold of the ship, sometimes for weeks or months, until someone would buy them as an indentured servant, sometimes working for decades in grueling conditions. Families weren't kept intact either. Children were sold off to different people, wives to others, and husbands elsewhere, sometimes never seeing each other again. It paints a really different picture than the one the mainstream is trying to push: that black people were alone in their suffering during that time and that white people never wanted for anything.
It ought not to be forgotten that harsh suffering, of a sort unimaginable to residents of the first world today, wasn't exceptional but rather common and familiar to nearly everybody in these time. The 1600's were brutal and vicious and nothing would change for the better until well into the 1800's. The 1800's was called the golden epoch because things actually began to be sort of acceptable and nice for a noticeable proportion of the population. Not all of them, or even most of them...just enough to see that a difference had been made.
Except they weren't, and slave ships were occasionally sunk with all hands on board to avoid the British arresting the officers.
That can't be said of any passenger ship transporting free persons. You would never deliberately sink a true passenger ship, even in times of war. Best case: you seize it and take hostages.
I remember Thomas Sowell talking about the importance of slavery from a global perspective being taught. But then if you teach that pretty much every group has been a slave and been the enslaver then that kills certain narratives.
Well I’m mostly black and I’m happy to be in America despite the circumstances of slavery. Granted I get annoyed with so many other black ppl who never shut up about how evil this country is but never move to the non majority white utopia of their choosing.
That's basically right. "Lesser white" or "off white". Whites have not had, do not have, and will not have, any sort of racial solidarity. I'm not very old, and I remember a time when polish discrimination wasn't really unheard of.
There are people alive and well today that are utterly shocked that bigotry against eastern Europeans and Eastern Orthodox Christians has all but fucking evaporated.
Therefore, the majority of the Irish people found that the South, not the North, was the true land of liberty, offering greater social and economic opportunities and easier access into the overall mainstream of everyday life. Indeed, since before the nation’s founding in the fiery forge of a people’s revolution, the South and its people—not only in the cities but also in the rural areas and in the western frontier regions (as far west as the plains of west Texas)—were fully receptive to the Irish refugees from hard economic times, famines and British oppression.
In total, an estimated forty thousand Irishmen fought for the Confederacy. During the climax of the bloody showdown at Gettysburg, large numbers of Ireland-born Confederates marched forth in lengthy formations that flowed with mechanical-like precision over the open fields during Pickett’s Charge.
I don't understand why this quote didn't point out the vast numbers of Irish soldiers who fought for the North.
The Irish were welcomed enough by both sides who were in desperate need of men. More importantly, men that could fight, and many of these Irish immigrants had either previous experience, or were the sons of, Irish rebels from earlier in the century.
It is also not necessarily true that the Irish were going to be welcomed so kindly by Ulster-Scots (Scotch-Irish), Scots, and English. The Irish could be welcomed, or they could not be, it depends on peoples and times.
Not sure what the point was of the "mechanical-like" comment either. It's not like the Virginians or North Carolinians weren't in the same advance.
I'm categorized as Asian but I hate fucking being lumped in with the Japanese and Chinese, ESPECIALLY the Chinese because those East Asian countries hate each other and have cultures different from each other.
The far left loves to collectivize everyone, blacks, whites, asians, etc. Makes it easy for them to recruit more members for the woke brigade.
By embracing "whiteness" you are playing by their rules.
I'm not sure that's what he's doing. It's also possible he's just coming from a liberally educated civic nationalist background of "race is meaningless" - I know because I was there last year. Ideally I'd still like to believe in a colorblind society and consider racial pride to be pretty stupid. Ethnic pride and affiliation makes a lot more sense, because that's based on actual genetic and cultural distinctions.
But when I started looking at reality I realized it's not a logical position. It doesn't matter if race is just a sociological construct - it's still real. Thanks to mixing in America and more recent actions of globohomo in Europe, whites are more aligned with one another than other races and no longer see each other by ethnicities. White people are defined by others as a race too, and either attacked or identified with on that basis. Nobody cares if you're German or English. Some people (of any race) might decide they want to live in a "white" neighborhood - not an English neighborhood. The Black dude fucking Jack's girlfriend just wanted to fuck a white bitch. He doesn't know or care that she's Irish.
How many people put down "Italian American" or "Irish American" on government forms and job applications? Most of the time you can't. It's not an option. So you put "White" or "Caucasian" instead of "Mixed Race" or "Other".
We can't mark ourselves as "White" on forms and then claim we don't care about or identify with a "White" race.
On a small scale, Koreans and Japanese may still see themselves as different races. But on a global scale - in a "multicultural" society - larger groups form and the major racial categories start to matter more than ethnicity. Like it or not if we go by today's sociological definition of "race", White is a race. Any denigration against that identification is racist. Any pride in that race is just as acceptable as pride in another race.
People like him are just in denial. The side in power is playing a game that Jack is losing whether he refuses to play or not.
The counter force is that as the persecution of white people gets worse, our only protection will be with fellow white people (of similar ideals), which will make white people more likely to associate with those of the same skin.
Nah, see all these cartoons of them as apes and especially the racist tracts specifically pointing out they're black with the "evidence" of their allegedly totally "African" traits of skull shapes and such (besides their "dark" skin colour which was especially ridicalous).
It's just a color of skin to me. Really, although I've unfortunately thought about it much more over the last 8 years due to it being shoved in everyone's face 24/7....should be about 7th or 8th down the list of ways to think about people you deal with. If that.
Same is true for black. African continent is crazy diverse. Supposedly a lot of black Americans brought as slaves came from Niger though... which led to them being named after Niger...
Which is true, the Irish were regarded as "African-Iberians" (they actually came from Spain, but Celtic just like Welsh who came from France) and heavily discriminated against, in America too.
Wtf that cuck shit. "I sent my impressionable young girlfriend to suck random men's dicks off the internet for my fetish"
It's only about 100 years ago that the "white race" in the American sense was expanded to the nationals such as Italians or Poles.
Seems to me like the whole Italian/Polish thing had more to do with fears of Catholicism.
Have you heard the stories of what white people went through to get to here back in the day on the sailing ships? The conditions were just as horrific as on the slave ships that was "taught" in school.
Yeah, I heard that too in the stories I read. During the journey, families were forced to push their children that died in the hold of the ship out through small port holes (breaking their bones to do it) just to bury them at sea, because they weren't allowed on the deck. Then when the ship reached its destination, those who couldn't afford the trip (most of them), they would remain in the hold of the ship, sometimes for weeks or months, until someone would buy them as an indentured servant, sometimes working for decades in grueling conditions. Families weren't kept intact either. Children were sold off to different people, wives to others, and husbands elsewhere, sometimes never seeing each other again. It paints a really different picture than the one the mainstream is trying to push: that black people were alone in their suffering during that time and that white people never wanted for anything.
It ought not to be forgotten that harsh suffering, of a sort unimaginable to residents of the first world today, wasn't exceptional but rather common and familiar to nearly everybody in these time. The 1600's were brutal and vicious and nothing would change for the better until well into the 1800's. The 1800's was called the golden epoch because things actually began to be sort of acceptable and nice for a noticeable proportion of the population. Not all of them, or even most of them...just enough to see that a difference had been made.
Except they weren't, and slave ships were occasionally sunk with all hands on board to avoid the British arresting the officers.
That can't be said of any passenger ship transporting free persons. You would never deliberately sink a true passenger ship, even in times of war. Best case: you seize it and take hostages.
I remember Thomas Sowell talking about the importance of slavery from a global perspective being taught. But then if you teach that pretty much every group has been a slave and been the enslaver then that kills certain narratives.
I mean the lesson is never import black slaves into your country it's just not worth it
Well I’m mostly black and I’m happy to be in America despite the circumstances of slavery. Granted I get annoyed with so many other black ppl who never shut up about how evil this country is but never move to the non majority white utopia of their choosing.
It sounds like they were considered "White" but not "our kind of White".
That's basically right. "Lesser white" or "off white". Whites have not had, do not have, and will not have, any sort of racial solidarity. I'm not very old, and I remember a time when polish discrimination wasn't really unheard of.
There are people alive and well today that are utterly shocked that bigotry against eastern Europeans and Eastern Orthodox Christians has all but fucking evaporated.
I don't understand why this quote didn't point out the vast numbers of Irish soldiers who fought for the North.
The Irish were welcomed enough by both sides who were in desperate need of men. More importantly, men that could fight, and many of these Irish immigrants had either previous experience, or were the sons of, Irish rebels from earlier in the century.
It is also not necessarily true that the Irish were going to be welcomed so kindly by Ulster-Scots (Scotch-Irish), Scots, and English. The Irish could be welcomed, or they could not be, it depends on peoples and times.
Not sure what the point was of the "mechanical-like" comment either. It's not like the Virginians or North Carolinians weren't in the same advance.
Holy shit lol. Those cuck levels are off the charts.
I'm categorized as Asian but I hate fucking being lumped in with the Japanese and Chinese, ESPECIALLY the Chinese because those East Asian countries hate each other and have cultures different from each other.
The far left loves to collectivize everyone, blacks, whites, asians, etc. Makes it easy for them to recruit more members for the woke brigade.
By embracing "whiteness" you are playing by their rules.
I'm not sure that's what he's doing. It's also possible he's just coming from a liberally educated civic nationalist background of "race is meaningless" - I know because I was there last year. Ideally I'd still like to believe in a colorblind society and consider racial pride to be pretty stupid. Ethnic pride and affiliation makes a lot more sense, because that's based on actual genetic and cultural distinctions.
But when I started looking at reality I realized it's not a logical position. It doesn't matter if race is just a sociological construct - it's still real. Thanks to mixing in America and more recent actions of globohomo in Europe, whites are more aligned with one another than other races and no longer see each other by ethnicities. White people are defined by others as a race too, and either attacked or identified with on that basis. Nobody cares if you're German or English. Some people (of any race) might decide they want to live in a "white" neighborhood - not an English neighborhood. The Black dude fucking Jack's girlfriend just wanted to fuck a white bitch. He doesn't know or care that she's Irish.
How many people put down "Italian American" or "Irish American" on government forms and job applications? Most of the time you can't. It's not an option. So you put "White" or "Caucasian" instead of "Mixed Race" or "Other".
We can't mark ourselves as "White" on forms and then claim we don't care about or identify with a "White" race.
On a small scale, Koreans and Japanese may still see themselves as different races. But on a global scale - in a "multicultural" society - larger groups form and the major racial categories start to matter more than ethnicity. Like it or not if we go by today's sociological definition of "race", White is a race. Any denigration against that identification is racist. Any pride in that race is just as acceptable as pride in another race.
People like him are just in denial. The side in power is playing a game that Jack is losing whether he refuses to play or not.
The counter force is that as the persecution of white people gets worse, our only protection will be with fellow white people (of similar ideals), which will make white people more likely to associate with those of the same skin.
The "Irish ape" thing in particular was relevant as they weren't considered even fully human.
Speaking of which, https://i.pinimg.com/564x/b4/52/c9/b452c94791e88fe965a30e0441de9f75.jpg
That smug looking son of a bitch... It mocks me.
This feels like something I would see from 4chan... in 1838.
https://picturinghistory.gc.cuny.edu/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/WildBeast-hires.png is eerily like the El Goblino meme.
White niggers is what they were called, barely white.
Nah, see all these cartoons of them as apes and especially the racist tracts specifically pointing out they're black with the "evidence" of their allegedly totally "African" traits of skull shapes and such (besides their "dark" skin colour which was especially ridicalous).
I’m Slavic, Germanic, Scot/Irish, Nordic and English. Apparently I owe myself a lot of reparations.
This brings new meaning to the joke of 'stop hitting yourself'.
Oh and my great great grandfather was an ashkenazi Jew, hello fellow goyim.
Uh-oh. Nordic. That means there's a very very slight slim chance you have a drop of Viking blood. You know what that means?
It means RAPE CULTURE
(Which is how he got that)
Just because one of my recorded ancestors boarded and burned down trading ships as a hired British soldier, ohhhhhhh……. Vikings going to Viking?
If you're Swedish it means you have no culture, because according to Sweden the Swedes had no culture until they started importing brown people.
Change "white people" to "white peoples" and leftist ideologies suddenly sound extra racist.
I'm down for that.
Jack Murphy is a pen name. His full name is John Murphy Goldman. His mother is Irish. His father is, well, take a guess.
I dunno. What is "Blackness"?
Far more arbitrary than even Whiteness.
It's just a color of skin to me. Really, although I've unfortunately thought about it much more over the last 8 years due to it being shoved in everyone's face 24/7....should be about 7th or 8th down the list of ways to think about people you deal with. If that.
I prefer to use Thomas Sowell's term: "Intertemporal Abstraction"
Same is true for black. African continent is crazy diverse. Supposedly a lot of black Americans brought as slaves came from Niger though... which led to them being named after Niger...
Kwanza is a Communist plot and American Cultural Imperialism.
It seems like the only people who can't figure out what white means are on twitter. Everyone else seems to get it.
Which is true, the Irish were regarded as "African-Iberians" (they actually came from Spain, but Celtic just like Welsh who came from France) and heavily discriminated against, in America too.
The treatment of Irish in Australia was just as if not more brutal than the treatment of the Aborigines