Have you heard the stories of what white people went through to get to here back in the day on the sailing ships? The conditions were just as horrific as on the slave ships that was "taught" in school.
Yeah, I heard that too in the stories I read. During the journey, families were forced to push their children that died in the hold of the ship out through small port holes (breaking their bones to do it) just to bury them at sea, because they weren't allowed on the deck. Then when the ship reached its destination, those who couldn't afford the trip (most of them), they would remain in the hold of the ship, sometimes for weeks or months, until someone would buy them as an indentured servant, sometimes working for decades in grueling conditions. Families weren't kept intact either. Children were sold off to different people, wives to others, and husbands elsewhere, sometimes never seeing each other again. It paints a really different picture than the one the mainstream is trying to push: that black people were alone in their suffering during that time and that white people never wanted for anything.
Except they weren't, and slave ships were occasionally sunk with all hands on board to avoid the British arresting the officers.
That can't be said of any passenger ship transporting free persons. You would never deliberately sink a true passenger ship, even in times of war. Best case: you seize it and take hostages.
I remember Thomas Sowell talking about the importance of slavery from a global perspective being taught. But then if you teach that pretty much every group has been a slave and been the enslaver then that kills certain narratives.
Well I’m mostly black and I’m happy to be in America despite the circumstances of slavery. Granted I get annoyed with so many other black ppl who never shut up about how evil this country is but never move to the non majority white utopia of their choosing.
That's basically right. "Lesser white" or "off white". Whites have not had, do not have, and will not have, any sort of racial solidarity. I'm not very old, and I remember a time when polish discrimination wasn't really unheard of.
There are people alive and well today that are utterly shocked that bigotry against eastern Europeans and Eastern Orthodox Christians has all but fucking evaporated.
Therefore, the majority of the Irish people found that the South, not the North, was the true land of liberty, offering greater social and economic opportunities and easier access into the overall mainstream of everyday life. Indeed, since before the nation’s founding in the fiery forge of a people’s revolution, the South and its people—not only in the cities but also in the rural areas and in the western frontier regions (as far west as the plains of west Texas)—were fully receptive to the Irish refugees from hard economic times, famines and British oppression.
In total, an estimated forty thousand Irishmen fought for the Confederacy. During the climax of the bloody showdown at Gettysburg, large numbers of Ireland-born Confederates marched forth in lengthy formations that flowed with mechanical-like precision over the open fields during Pickett’s Charge.
I don't understand why this quote didn't point out the vast numbers of Irish soldiers who fought for the North.
The Irish were welcomed enough by both sides who were in desperate need of men. More importantly, men that could fight, and many of these Irish immigrants had either previous experience, or were the sons of, Irish rebels from earlier in the century.
It is also not necessarily true that the Irish were going to be welcomed so kindly by Ulster-Scots (Scotch-Irish), Scots, and English. The Irish could be welcomed, or they could not be, it depends on peoples and times.
Not sure what the point was of the "mechanical-like" comment either. It's not like the Virginians or North Carolinians weren't in the same advance.
It's only about 100 years ago that the "white race" in the American sense was expanded to the nationals such as Italians or Poles.
Seems to me like the whole Italian/Polish thing had more to do with fears of Catholicism.
Have you heard the stories of what white people went through to get to here back in the day on the sailing ships? The conditions were just as horrific as on the slave ships that was "taught" in school.
Yeah, I heard that too in the stories I read. During the journey, families were forced to push their children that died in the hold of the ship out through small port holes (breaking their bones to do it) just to bury them at sea, because they weren't allowed on the deck. Then when the ship reached its destination, those who couldn't afford the trip (most of them), they would remain in the hold of the ship, sometimes for weeks or months, until someone would buy them as an indentured servant, sometimes working for decades in grueling conditions. Families weren't kept intact either. Children were sold off to different people, wives to others, and husbands elsewhere, sometimes never seeing each other again. It paints a really different picture than the one the mainstream is trying to push: that black people were alone in their suffering during that time and that white people never wanted for anything.
Except they weren't, and slave ships were occasionally sunk with all hands on board to avoid the British arresting the officers.
That can't be said of any passenger ship transporting free persons. You would never deliberately sink a true passenger ship, even in times of war. Best case: you seize it and take hostages.
I remember Thomas Sowell talking about the importance of slavery from a global perspective being taught. But then if you teach that pretty much every group has been a slave and been the enslaver then that kills certain narratives.
I mean the lesson is never import black slaves into your country it's just not worth it
Well I’m mostly black and I’m happy to be in America despite the circumstances of slavery. Granted I get annoyed with so many other black ppl who never shut up about how evil this country is but never move to the non majority white utopia of their choosing.
It sounds like they were considered "White" but not "our kind of White".
That's basically right. "Lesser white" or "off white". Whites have not had, do not have, and will not have, any sort of racial solidarity. I'm not very old, and I remember a time when polish discrimination wasn't really unheard of.
There are people alive and well today that are utterly shocked that bigotry against eastern Europeans and Eastern Orthodox Christians has all but fucking evaporated.
I don't understand why this quote didn't point out the vast numbers of Irish soldiers who fought for the North.
The Irish were welcomed enough by both sides who were in desperate need of men. More importantly, men that could fight, and many of these Irish immigrants had either previous experience, or were the sons of, Irish rebels from earlier in the century.
It is also not necessarily true that the Irish were going to be welcomed so kindly by Ulster-Scots (Scotch-Irish), Scots, and English. The Irish could be welcomed, or they could not be, it depends on peoples and times.
Not sure what the point was of the "mechanical-like" comment either. It's not like the Virginians or North Carolinians weren't in the same advance.