I recently created a thread asking about how to find non woke movies and most people seem to prefer not to watch anything right now. I do not agree on the sentiment, I think that instead of isolating ourselves from the media we should just be smarter on how we filter and promote things that we like.
So to cut it short, if I build a website where you can easily filter out things like movies released in 2021, are action movies, have more than 7 score in imdb and have a "woke" score provided by selected people (not community driven to avoid infiltration) that is lower than 3... would you find it useful? The same could be used to search what "wokeness" score a particular movie had.
I think this could also be applied in the future to other medias, companies, products etc. But I don't want to build it if the general sentiment is "all new movies are bad" or "you should just do your own research"
I think it's a good idea, but how would you measure wokeness? Different people regard it differently.
I can't stand even a minuscule amount of feminism, but other things like needless LGBT characters I can ignore.
To start it can be something generic, but with time you could have different "criterias" as well, similar to how right wing tomatoes does. Then you can do more fine grained filtering.
Why not have a list of woke tropes and then allow each movie to be flagged for certain tropes.
For instance:
Etc.
I think those could be separate "ratings" that could be provided, so if everyone agrees there is underage sexualization then you get a 100% score, if no one agrees 0%.
Or simply put, make them tags.
Kinda like shopping online where you can check off what features you want. But in this one, you can filter what features you don't want.
I'm in the mood for an Action flick with no underage sex and no feminism.
Of course, the real problem is, would any film made in the past 20 years come up with that criteria? LOL
Russian films.
That's what I've been watching lately. They go hard on the masculinity. It feels like American films from the 1980s.
Women don't overpower the men, they're not smarter than the men, and they don't usually get to be the heroes. Heck, even in action-oriented films starring women, like the flick August 8th the main heroine didn't really do much of anything heroic. She needed a bunch of strong, badass men to do everything for her.
I don't know if you would consider WWII movies "action flicks" but neither Greyhound or Dunkirk were woke.
Why do we have to watch things being made today? We have decades of good media to peruse and it's not like we're the target audience for the stuff being made nowadays anyway.
I mean sure go ahead but you make it sound like there's some moral imperative to watch new things for newness' sake.
You don't have to watch it, but thinking that hiding and not consuming media is the solution will only lead to even more wokeness, which in turn will ensure younger generations are even more indoctrinated. By being able to filter you can consume media that you like, promoting it and ensuring more of the like is made.
Of all my friends, I don't know of a single one that regularly consumes media coming out of Hollywood. We consume plenty of older media and support indie games and films. There is rarely a good film that comes out, I would say a one every other year, that I'll watch. (A quiet place being the latest movie, but I have low hopes for it's sequel)
I understand that might be the case, but this is just ensuring the current market only promotes woke stuff. If those who don't like it consume less and less, they will have to make even more woke stuff since its the only thing people consume.
That's not how markets work at all lol
Of course that is how it works, if you have 5 movies, 3 of which are super woke, 1 which is a bit woke and one that is not woke at all, and they all get similar amount of people watching it, then the market knows that being woke impacting their revenue. Now if people would filter out woke movies and the non woke ones got more revenue, the market would adjust.
I probably wouldn't find much use in it. Just looking at the casting and an imdb synopsis are generally enough to tell if it's something I'd want to watch. I tend to stick with really awful low budget flicks, or older stuff, though.
I don't need a score to know I'll probably enjoy Psycho Goreman.
Still, I'm sure plenty could find a use for it.
I would go for it just to see if it caught on and snowballed. The question isn't "what do we think", it's "Are you bored enough to do it?"
No point in doing it if no one wants it though
If you're doing it to make money, do something else.
If you're doing it because you're passionate about it then do it, and then promote it.
Will I personally use it? That entirely depends on how it works, the UI, selction criteria, etc. So it makes little sense to ask me before you can show me.
You should build a prototype and then show it off and ask for feedback - it's pointless to ask people if they want something that doesn't exist. You'll just get a lot of noise and in the end the people who said yes might end up hating it anyway.
Not true. If you personally think it's something worth spending your time on, then its worth spending your time on
It depends on what is your goal. My goal would be to help people and provide them a service, not to create a cool webapp.
Yes I'm interested.
I wanted to leave you some suggestions, but I watch virtually no modern western media because so much of it is bad. Here's the best I could come up with:
A sorted list by score of a useful crowd is already a decent start. IMDb makes it unreasonably hard to filter by common sense criteria; score, time range, genre.
Second, when it comes to wokeness i think of it as a more general 'sense of life'. Does the creator share the same set of ideals as me. In the vast majority of cases the answer is no and the show will let you in on this fact. But sometimes it's not relevant and the show manages to make a compelling viewing without the author's sense of life (whether aligned with mine or not) coming into the picture. It's neutral. And rarely their sense of life matches my own, which is an overall net positive in how likely I am to enjoy the show.
Obviously my sense of life is different from somebody else's, so instead of a singular score perhaps have it by philosophical categories. Christianity, man as a hero, romanticized God vs evil or shades of grey, overcoming personal hurdles vs United we are strong.
Giving a show a score in philosophical categories is too much work, instead how about tag words. Just like I could be looking for a horror show or psychological thriller, I could also be looking for Independence tag, or using logic to solve problems tag, altruism (a tag I'd avoid for example, but for some it's a plus).
I hope that helps, and good luck.
thanks for the suggestions!
Probably more useful is a site that only lists non-woke films and shows. Where I can go and know that everything there is watchable.
A wiki of sorts, where titles get suggested, people discuss and vote Woke/Not-Woke and when it reaches some vote talley it gets added to the main site.
This way those who want to get involved can, while those who just want to find something to watch don't have to deal with debates, a million tags, and 8 different wokeness scores.
Voting should be transparent btw, and a board of trusted people should be able to ban voters who misuse the system.
The problem with voting is that the "woke" brigade would easily infiltrate. I think its better a system where you select those based on some criteria, and if you people think they are off they can complain or comment. It's not ideal but just look how well community driven content works in things like wikipedia..
Yeah, it's why I thought you need a board of trusted judges who can intervene.
Let's say you have a constitution of sorts that defines a list of unacceptables. The people voting would then have to follow the constitution, and if they don't will be banned.
The alternatives to crownsourcing the work is either that you have to do it yourself, or pay people to do it.
Paying people to do it would be possible if you could get seed funding, but no one is going to fund something like this - VCs will see this are having almost no possiblilty for a successful exit, and as a potential PR disaster.
Also you're trying to solve a hard problem. I just saw the first episode of Shadow and Bone and these Russians who apparently are racist suddenly without a question fall in line behind a random black woman inserted as commander / expedition leader. Makes absolutely no sense, but how would you codify this as a rule? Is merely having a black woman actor woke?
Nobody was fucking great.
So you want to set up a system of trigger warnings that apply to all modern media?
Lmfao
I don't see it like that. Wokeness is simply political propaganda or 'short ads' inserted into a movie. Why not filter out movies that have too much propaganda? I might watch a tv show with 2 commercial breaks in an hour, but not one with 1 per minute.
Back in my day, “woke” meant you knew who orchestrated 9/11
Instead of listing “woke” movies to avoid, why not list “woke” movies to watch? It would surely be better for your sanity in making the list, and probably be more useful for the stated goal. It’s too easy to fixate on negativity, and so much more productive to focus on positivity.
Imo at least
You could use it the other way round, if you sort by the least woke, you would have what I think you refer. If woke people want to use it to find the wokest movies they would like to watch, good for them. The point is that there is a new category or rating on movies but no one is willing to express it in a way we can filter based on it.
You might want to have curated/filterable entertainment for your family to enjoy, that mirrors your values, for instance