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Covid timeline - exactly one year ago every health professional recommended AGAINST wearing masks. (lessonsfromthecrisis.substack.com)
posted 5 years ago by SophiesBoyfriend 5 years ago by SophiesBoyfriend +95 / -0
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– thepalagoon 30 points 5 years ago +30 / -0

Every single bit of this "controversy" could have been avoided if "experts" didn't rush to make judgments and statements.

"Based on the wealth of data we have in the past century since the Spanish Flu pandemic, especially on mask-wearing in Southeast Asia and its effect on seasonal respiratory illnesses, it's unlikely masks will have a dramatic effect on transmission.

Still, we'll continue to do research on their efficacy on this virus and this illness. We encourage people to do what they feel makes them safe. We will continue to update recommendations as they meet empirical results. Thank you."

I just don't know how they fucked it up so bad. They torched their credibility and then stood slack-jawed as people refused to believe them.

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– Ahaus667 20 points 5 years ago +20 / -0

They are still used to their knowledge being locked away and people blindly following only their ‘sanctioned’ tenets of ‘science’. This method was their bread and butter before the rapid influx of readily available scientific studies to the layman. If the clergy is the only group who can read Latin then their message is the only viable one.

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– UnsubtleAardvark 11 points 5 years ago +11 / -0

As the other guy said, they're used to being the clergy.

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– Ahaus667 23 points 5 years ago +23 / -0

Masks are useless, they actively damage your lungs when worn for long periods and vastly increase your risk for infections when worn for long periods. There has not been a single study in support of masks that did not use a hospital setting, and was not for a limited period of time. Quarantining the entire human population was just as ineffective, which you now see with the x variants that are shilled about. This handling of the pandemic should have caused a storming of the bastille.

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– Benevolentdictator 5 points 5 years ago +5 / -0

they actively damage your lungs when worn for long periods and vastly increase your risk for infections when worn for long periods.

I think it's important to keep facts on our side.

I'm a physician and am very anti-mask, but it's important not to resort to hyperbole and magical thinking like the other side does.

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– Booker 7 points 5 years ago +7 / -0

Appreciate your perspective. Not trying to argue with you but are medical masks not disposable for hygiene and infectivity purposes?

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– Benevolentdictator 2 points 5 years ago +2 / -0

I'm sorry, I don't understand the last part of your question.

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– Booker 3 points 5 years ago +3 / -0

For instance, I have a friend who is a neurosurgeon. She was trained to toss a mask after every use and not to treat it as reusable as it could become a vehicle for germs, whether spreading to herself or her next patient.

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– Ahaus667 6 points 5 years ago +6 / -0

I don’t think you can find a rational pulmonologist who won’t admit that hypoxia can occur while wearing masks, just look at the difference in treatment between ‘masking up’ and altitude masks. Just as we know that maintaining tropical levels of heat and humidity in any environment let alone in front of your face is insane and why the studies mention that they have people wear masks for ‘at least ten minutes’ or ‘exercise for 15 minutes’ and then proclaim that the humidity levels actually help fight Covid because the humidity hasn’t had time to reach dangerous levels or detrimental levels (>60%). These studies are malicious, scientists know full well that workers don’t just wear mask for 10-15 minutes. We also know that prolonged heat, concentrated humidity and lung/heart complications are deadly. Pretending like people working manual labor 8 hours a day wearing a mask (that probably isn’t new or clean) is not causing at least short term health complications is asinine. People are quitting healthcare jobs because of the health complications that prolonged mask use is causing. As a physician you are probably well aware or the difference between a practical and political study, we have only seen the latter in regards to mask use.

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– TerpenoidTester 6 points 5 years ago +6 / -0

In Oregon we had a high school girl pass out because she had to wear a mask for an outdoor track and field event.

https://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/2021/april/high-school-athlete-collapses-at-finish-line-after-being-forced-to-wear-a-mask-during-race-i-just-felt-super-dizzy

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– lgbtqwtfbbq 4 points 5 years ago +4 / -0

I almost passed out wearing one while skiiing a few years back. Felt myself blacking out, then ripped that thing off and just suffered through my face being cold the rest of the day.

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– Benevolentdictator 5 points 5 years ago +5 / -0

I don't want to get down in the weeds about this one.

I would instead appeal to first principles:

The same reason masks are ineffective due to viruses being too small to filter out is the same reason they can't impair oxygen transfer in any meaningful way to a person with normal lung function, as oxygen molecules are even smaller.

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– Ahaus667 4 points 5 years ago +4 / -0

Which would be a rational argument if known humidity increases weren’t noted in every case of mask use. My argument is that making contained environments that are known to increase humidity and have been seen to make levels that restrict lung oxygen volume. Sitting in a steam room with a mask vs without one will cause a noted difference in lung function due to unnatural levels of heat and humidity. Adding to this is the increased pressure on breathing through a mask vs no mask and there is a very real reason to be concerned with hypoxia.

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– lgbtqwtfbbq 6 points 5 years ago +6 / -0

A study was conducted in the Before Time on the efficacy of masks and found higher rates of illness in the cloth mask group.

A cluster randomised trial of cloth masks compared with medical masks in healthcare workers:

The rates of all infection outcomes were highest in the cloth mask arm, with the rate of ILI statistically significantly higher in the cloth mask arm (relative risk (RR)=13.00, 95% CI 1.69 to 100.07) compared with the medical mask arm. Cloth masks also had significantly higher rates of ILI compared with the control arm. An analysis by mask use showed ILI (RR=6.64, 95% CI 1.45 to 28.65) and laboratory-confirmed virus (RR=1.72, 95% CI 1.01 to 2.94) were significantly higher in the cloth masks group compared with the medical masks group. Penetration of cloth masks by particles was almost 97% and medical masks 44%.

This study is the first RCT of cloth masks, and the results caution against the use of cloth masks. This is an important finding to inform occupational health and safety. Moisture retention, reuse of cloth masks and poor filtration may result in increased risk of infection. Further research is needed to inform the widespread use of cloth masks globally. However, as a precautionary measure, cloth masks should not be recommended for HCWs, particularly in high-risk situations, and guidelines need to be updated.

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– Rex_Vigilanti 16 points 5 years ago +16 / -0

Neither outcome makes me trust the government at all. Either A) they were incompetent in their research of the virus and were pushing out details as fast as they could without properly understanding what they were proposing, only to reevaluate and start trying to backtrack and cover their incompetence, or B) they were still entirely incompetent, but because the Angry Cheeto with the baby hands said “I don’t like masks and I don’t think people need to close down,” the other side saw an opportunity to reel in power and started cracking down on lockdowns and mask mandates. Neither narrative makes me feel comfortable with their reasoning for any of this, nor does it make me feel confident in the vaccines. All of this should have been given to the private sector like how Trump had attempted from the start. The more I dig the more libertarian I get.

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– GoofTroop186 11 points 5 years ago +11 / -0

This is an important redpill. Not because of any kind of anti-masker bullshit but because every facet of the corporate media dutifully reported this for over a month as if there wasn’t one independent professor or doctor that thought we should probably stop spitting on each other as much as we normally do.

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– TheGreatFirewall 10 points 5 years ago +10 / -0

This also marks the 1 year anniversary of the Church of Fauci in which leftists, corporations, and the naïve all bow down to the almighty power of the fucking useless mask.

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– Minarchist_Manlet 8 points 5 years ago +8 / -0

The WHO pushed masks. They are given too much authority by academia and big tech.

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– bootsy_two_scoops 12 points 5 years ago +12 / -0

WHO didn’t push masks until several months after the CDC, and they admitted it was due to political pressure, not any science.

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– MegoThor 7 points 5 years ago +7 / -0

And then the checks started rolling in...

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– BiggusDiggus 7 points 5 years ago +7 / -0

We didn't have a supply of masks so the public got lied to in order to lessen demand and allow a buildup for medical staff. Of course, the masters must lie to the public for the good of medical professionals.

Then, masks were mandated despite giving no protection for oneself. They only protect others if you are a walking asymptomatic viral load. Of course, the masters must lie to the public so that 'selfish' individuals don't pose a greater risk.

Same with fluoride,lithium, and many things that affect a population over the individual: telling the truth would harm the public, so 'they' have to lie to the public.

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– Gizortnik 4 points 5 years ago +4 / -0

There are obviously anti-vax terrorists who should be arrested. No questions.

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– deleted 2 points 5 years ago +2 / -0
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– Elrond_Hubbard 2 points 5 years ago +2 / -0

Guys they only lied to us for our own good

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