With the code of conduct on things like Mastodon I do not think you could consider that a good source. They have rules like:
No racism, sexism, homophobia, transphobia, xenophobia, casteism
No discrimination against gender and sexual minorities, or advocation thereof
No spreading disinformation or conspiracy theories that undermine public health
No conduct promoting the ideology of National Socialism
They are functionally identical to places like Twitter and Reddit in terms of the quality of the people running it. I do use Element/Matrix though since it has encryption. We have a KiA backup room there just in case.
You can see that many "branches" have their content suspended from interacting with Mastodon for things like harassment and hate speech. This is why it is not reliable. If the people moderating things are compromised then anywhere good just gets quarantined away, same as Reddit. Dot Win has reliable admins (for now) so it works well as a public site. It does not solve the issues that people have been having with social media at all.
They are functionally identical to places like Twitter and Reddit in terms of the quality of the people running it.
You can see that many "branches" have their content suspended from interacting with Mastodon for things like harassment and hate speech. This is why it is not reliable. If the people moderating things are compromised then anywhere good just gets quarantined away, same as Reddit.
I think there's some confusion here. "Mastodon" isn't just some other social media alternative that requires you to use their infrastructure. It's self contained software you run on your own server as an "instance", and no one on the "official" mastodon instances has control over any of it. The code of conduct you've posted only applies to a couple instances out of thousands, and anyone can host their own instance with their own rules and team.
Information is shared not just to clients but between instances when interactions happen between them, or when an instance chooses to directly relay another.
If a post is deleted on one instance, it can still be mirrored and stored on multiple other instances. You can even make a single user instance just so you have your own personal database of public posts.
(Also regardless of what the Mastodon team thinks, Pleroma is the same thing but lightweight and not made by SJWs. I recommend you look at instances like https://shitposter.club/ and https://freespeechextremist.com/ to see examples of what the Fediverse could be.)
Yes Mastodon is one instance, but it's the biggest one of their "twitter alternatives" which means it basically has monopoly power in the same way that twitter actually does. I'm using it as an example that what happened that made twitter and reddit bad is exactly the same thing happening to federated projects as well.
it basically has monopoly power in the same way that twitter actually does.
The whole point of federated sites is it’s literally impossible to have a monopoly on power. If you’re banned from 1 instance of a million people, there’s still thousands of instances with thousands of people each, and those instances can form a seamless mesh network using relays.
Whenever any single instance grows big enough it will get compromised in the exact same way "big tech" has. They will pressure smaller instances into falling in line or else they will have no reach.
What you are saying is basically to "hope the problem goes away on its own" which it never will. You need to get to the root of the issue of why things get compromised in the first place, and that's something you can't run away from forever.
Encouraging federation and for people to create their own instances isn’t just “hoping the problem will go away on its own” If this theoretical “big instance” scenario happens then people will simply move to other instances, and they still federate with each other so they’ll have just as much reach as the big one. Also I’d very much like you to elaborate of why exactly things get “compromised”
many have also had these projects fall apart or rot away. (Remember Voat?)
Yes, why is that.
Oh, right, it's because they refuse to address monetization from the get go.
Whereas 4chan has outlived all of them despite being the Mos Eisley of the internet... because they sell ads.
You can build a successor, and you can keep it running if you build an audience and build a pool of advertisers who don't give a damn about the SJWs. But too many people starting up new alternative sites try to start from a principled position against advertising.
But too many people starting up new alternative sites try to start from a principled position against advertising.
If that's the case you can run your own instance of something with advertising added to it. Even if someone doesn't like it they can still see the same posts and follow the same users from a different instance.
you can run your own instance of something with advertising added to it
"I" don't care very much about winning this culture war, and have spent enough time of my life writing code for money that it ceased to be fun years ago.
I'm only a couple years from executing on my prepper ranch plan.
"Federation" and "Federal" had and still have meanings beyond the context of the US Federal Government. Just like "liberal" still actually means something other than a snarl word for lefties.
The future is to ignore bitchy women and get in the cuck's faces to make them back down.
But in terms of communications the real future is mesh networks that don't piggyback on the existing internet infrastructure. We aren't quite there yet.
But in terms of communications the real future is mesh networks
That's basically what federated services are. If one instance goes down, the content is still hosted on thousands of other instances that chose to relay it or interacted with it in some way. But as for using your own internet infrastructure, that's going to be a long ways away unless you have access to your own satellite or cell towers. For what it's worth there's federated services that can run on Tor, I2P, or even gopher!
With the code of conduct on things like Mastodon I do not think you could consider that a good source. They have rules like:
They are functionally identical to places like Twitter and Reddit in terms of the quality of the people running it. I do use Element/Matrix though since it has encryption. We have a KiA backup room there just in case.
You can see that many "branches" have their content suspended from interacting with Mastodon for things like harassment and hate speech. This is why it is not reliable. If the people moderating things are compromised then anywhere good just gets quarantined away, same as Reddit. Dot Win has reliable admins (for now) so it works well as a public site. It does not solve the issues that people have been having with social media at all.
mastodon.social is just one mastodon server among many. Others have very different rules.
Casteism
Well, there's a new one.
I think there's some confusion here. "Mastodon" isn't just some other social media alternative that requires you to use their infrastructure. It's self contained software you run on your own server as an "instance", and no one on the "official" mastodon instances has control over any of it. The code of conduct you've posted only applies to a couple instances out of thousands, and anyone can host their own instance with their own rules and team.
Information is shared not just to clients but between instances when interactions happen between them, or when an instance chooses to directly relay another. If a post is deleted on one instance, it can still be mirrored and stored on multiple other instances. You can even make a single user instance just so you have your own personal database of public posts.
(Also regardless of what the Mastodon team thinks, Pleroma is the same thing but lightweight and not made by SJWs. I recommend you look at instances like https://shitposter.club/ and https://freespeechextremist.com/ to see examples of what the Fediverse could be.)
Yes Mastodon is one instance, but it's the biggest one of their "twitter alternatives" which means it basically has monopoly power in the same way that twitter actually does. I'm using it as an example that what happened that made twitter and reddit bad is exactly the same thing happening to federated projects as well.
The whole point of federated sites is it’s literally impossible to have a monopoly on power. If you’re banned from 1 instance of a million people, there’s still thousands of instances with thousands of people each, and those instances can form a seamless mesh network using relays.
Whenever any single instance grows big enough it will get compromised in the exact same way "big tech" has. They will pressure smaller instances into falling in line or else they will have no reach.
What you are saying is basically to "hope the problem goes away on its own" which it never will. You need to get to the root of the issue of why things get compromised in the first place, and that's something you can't run away from forever.
Encouraging federation and for people to create their own instances isn’t just “hoping the problem will go away on its own” If this theoretical “big instance” scenario happens then people will simply move to other instances, and they still federate with each other so they’ll have just as much reach as the big one. Also I’d very much like you to elaborate of why exactly things get “compromised”
Yes, why is that.
Oh, right, it's because they refuse to address monetization from the get go.
Whereas 4chan has outlived all of them despite being the Mos Eisley of the internet... because they sell ads.
You can build a successor, and you can keep it running if you build an audience and build a pool of advertisers who don't give a damn about the SJWs. But too many people starting up new alternative sites try to start from a principled position against advertising.
4chan has ads? I don't think I've ever seen one?
Turn off your blocker.
If that's the case you can run your own instance of something with advertising added to it. Even if someone doesn't like it they can still see the same posts and follow the same users from a different instance.
"I" don't care very much about winning this culture war, and have spent enough time of my life writing code for money that it ceased to be fun years ago.
I'm only a couple years from executing on my prepper ranch plan.
'Fediverse' sounds a bit suspect, not sure I would use such a named service.
"Federation" and "Federal" had and still have meanings beyond the context of the US Federal Government. Just like "liberal" still actually means something other than a snarl word for lefties.
“Fediverse” is not a singular service, it refers to all types of federated services and the very concept of such.
The future is to ignore bitchy women and get in the cuck's faces to make them back down.
But in terms of communications the real future is mesh networks that don't piggyback on the existing internet infrastructure. We aren't quite there yet.
That's basically what federated services are. If one instance goes down, the content is still hosted on thousands of other instances that chose to relay it or interacted with it in some way. But as for using your own internet infrastructure, that's going to be a long ways away unless you have access to your own satellite or cell towers. For what it's worth there's federated services that can run on Tor, I2P, or even gopher!