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posted 5 years ago by FediverseFan 5 years ago by FediverseFan +10 / -0
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– Arkana 17 points 5 years ago +17 / -0

With the code of conduct on things like Mastodon I do not think you could consider that a good source. They have rules like:

No racism, sexism, homophobia, transphobia, xenophobia, casteism

No discrimination against gender and sexual minorities, or advocation thereof

No spreading disinformation or conspiracy theories that undermine public health

No conduct promoting the ideology of National Socialism

They are functionally identical to places like Twitter and Reddit in terms of the quality of the people running it. I do use Element/Matrix though since it has encryption. We have a KiA backup room there just in case.

You can see that many "branches" have their content suspended from interacting with Mastodon for things like harassment and hate speech. This is why it is not reliable. If the people moderating things are compromised then anywhere good just gets quarantined away, same as Reddit. Dot Win has reliable admins (for now) so it works well as a public site. It does not solve the issues that people have been having with social media at all.

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– dittendatt 4 points 5 years ago +4 / -0

mastodon.social is just one mastodon server among many. Others have very different rules.

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– Knife-TotingRat 4 points 5 years ago +4 / -0

Casteism

Well, there's a new one.

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– FediverseFan [S] 3 points 5 years ago +3 / -0

They are functionally identical to places like Twitter and Reddit in terms of the quality of the people running it.

You can see that many "branches" have their content suspended from interacting with Mastodon for things like harassment and hate speech. This is why it is not reliable. If the people moderating things are compromised then anywhere good just gets quarantined away, same as Reddit.

I think there's some confusion here. "Mastodon" isn't just some other social media alternative that requires you to use their infrastructure. It's self contained software you run on your own server as an "instance", and no one on the "official" mastodon instances has control over any of it. The code of conduct you've posted only applies to a couple instances out of thousands, and anyone can host their own instance with their own rules and team.

Information is shared not just to clients but between instances when interactions happen between them, or when an instance chooses to directly relay another. If a post is deleted on one instance, it can still be mirrored and stored on multiple other instances. You can even make a single user instance just so you have your own personal database of public posts.

(Also regardless of what the Mastodon team thinks, Pleroma is the same thing but lightweight and not made by SJWs. I recommend you look at instances like https://shitposter.club/ and https://freespeechextremist.com/ to see examples of what the Fediverse could be.)

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– Arkana 1 point 5 years ago +1 / -0

Yes Mastodon is one instance, but it's the biggest one of their "twitter alternatives" which means it basically has monopoly power in the same way that twitter actually does. I'm using it as an example that what happened that made twitter and reddit bad is exactly the same thing happening to federated projects as well.

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– FediverseFan [S] 1 point 5 years ago +1 / -0

it basically has monopoly power in the same way that twitter actually does.

The whole point of federated sites is it’s literally impossible to have a monopoly on power. If you’re banned from 1 instance of a million people, there’s still thousands of instances with thousands of people each, and those instances can form a seamless mesh network using relays.

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– Arkana 1 point 5 years ago +1 / -0

Whenever any single instance grows big enough it will get compromised in the exact same way "big tech" has. They will pressure smaller instances into falling in line or else they will have no reach.

What you are saying is basically to "hope the problem goes away on its own" which it never will. You need to get to the root of the issue of why things get compromised in the first place, and that's something you can't run away from forever.

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