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Chris White / Slate: "Fullnaming composers: why calling Beethoven and Mozart by their last names has to stop." (archive.is)
posted 5 years ago by AntonioOfVenice 5 years ago by AntonioOfVenice +45 / -0
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– AntonioOfVenice [S] 31 points 5 years ago +31 / -0

This repellent ginger clown is, believe it or not, a professor of music theory at the public UMass Amherst. You are paying for this imbecile to indoctrinate kids into the pure poison of his IDPol.

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– TentElephant 19 points 5 years ago +19 / -0

I'd be surprised if there is a single music professor that isn't a critical race theorist.

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– BulbasaurusThe7th 12 points 5 years ago +12 / -0

What the fuck is a music theory professor? Why does humanity need them?

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– SR388-SAX 18 points 5 years ago +18 / -0

Music theory is legit. You learn stuff like chord progressions and structure.

There are plenty of frauds in legit fields, though.

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– AntonioOfVenice [S] 11 points 5 years ago +11 / -0

Overproduction of the university so called educated.

They have to go somewhere. After their supposed education, they feel like they are too good to do any manual labor - you know, work that is actually useful. This may cause instability. In India, where there was a similar glut of humanities graduates, these people lived off their relatives while being unemployed, becoming a factor destabilizing their country. So the governments decided to create sinecures in the bureaucracy for them, just to try to pacify them.

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– w-duranty6489 5 points 5 years ago +5 / -0

music "theory" professor

how

He just calls music racist, like Critical Race Theory? L O fucking L. Woke capital never sleeps.

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– Nathrandir 17 points 5 years ago +17 / -0

Delegitimizing classic composers that have earned their ubiquity by standing the test of time won’t make modern composers any more worthy of praise and accolades. It just undermines the notion that timelessness can be achieved by way of qualitative measures.

All compositions aren’t equally worthy of consideration. All people aren’t equal in their talent or their output. Insisting that they are doesn’t make it so. Blaming racism or sexism on the disparity of outcomes doesn’t make it so.

If, in the fullness of time, future generations still listen to and study the work of a given black trans female composer, wonderful. They’ll have earned the ubiquity of a mononyn. And if not, they’ll have been found wanting, and we’ll continue to study and enjoy those that weren’t; those that actually earned their place in history.

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– reidj 3 points 5 years ago +3 / -0

I doubt people with these sort of views put much emphasis on technique or anything like that, valuing message and the identity of the composer. Given the choice to save the Mona Lisa or the words "Black Lives Matter" in fingerpaint, they'll choose the latter every time.

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– Xzal 14 points 5 years ago +14 / -0

So effectively his argument is, these men are famous enough to be recognized on a last name basis only, but some women are not? And as such we should lowest common denominated ourselves in yet another topic to avoid promoting meritocratic rewards.

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– Adamrises 14 points 5 years ago +14 / -0

Its a dumb argument too, because when there is a famous enough woman, we recognize them by their last name too. Clinton has managed to supersede a president in that regard. If I say Shelley or Curie, you probably know which author or scientist I'm referring to as well.

The problem is that names like Beethoven are so fucking unique that there will only ever be one referred to in any conversation, making it a super extreme.

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– Decrixxx 5 points 5 years ago +5 / -0

"why X has to stop" has never worked bubba.

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– DennJW 4 points 5 years ago +4 / -0

“Tonight, you’ll be hearing symphonies by Brahms and Edmond Dédé,” we’re linguistically treating the former as being on a different plane than the latter

Which is simply accurate. Brahms remains one of the greatest composers ever. This isn't outdated. He is still. I'm sure Edmond Dede accomplished some great and moving things, but he is not on par with Brahms. Virtually no one has been.

But here's the kicker: Even if someone one day writes comparably to Brahms, no one but Brahms will ever have done so without drawing on the achievements of Brahms. They will have to acknowledge him.

His name should be remembered forever. Deal with it!

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– MetalGearMk3 3 points 5 years ago +3 / -0

Why? Dudes been dead forever I doubt they care

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– AntonioOfVenice [S] 6 points 5 years ago +6 / -0

Women gave us Pride and Prejudice.

Men gave us Mein Kampf.

It is fun.

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– bobrobinson 3 points 5 years ago +3 / -0

Yes.

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– AntonioOfVenice [S] 7 points 5 years ago +7 / -0

Didn't women also vote for the Nazis?

Possibly in greater numbers even than men. It seems that there were a lot of women who found Hitler attractive, as amazing as that sounds.

But the point is: you can cherrypick anything and any group.

Homosexuals gave us the 1812 Overture.

Straight people gave us WAP.

Jews gave us the (TW) Wedding March.

Gentiles gave us WAP.

Also, Pride and Prejudice is boring garbage.

You may find it boring, but it's not garbage - it has withstood the test of time.

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– AntonioOfVenice [S] 3 points 5 years ago +3 / -0

Oh, wonderful. The Trudeau effect. Why don't Jewish groups force Holocaust guilt on them then?

Cause 'Jewish' groups are Jewish in name only and are mostly interested in pushing a SJW agenda. The ADL was hijacked when Abraham Foxman left and this current piece of human debris took over.

But WAP is specifically targeted at the female demographic. It's a celebrity made famous for her hatred by women, who writes songs about being a slut and supports female supremacist politics.

You could have just said 'celebrity'.

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– Adamrises 3 points 5 years ago +3 / -0

Most books from the 1800s or before are boring garbage. Old English has a dryness to it to make even epic battles stale.

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– AntonioOfVenice [S] 5 points 5 years ago +5 / -0

Hwaet! Are you suggesting that what was used before 1800 was Old English?

That is not even Middle English!

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– AntonioOfVenice [S] 5 points 5 years ago +5 / -0

German women and men voted for the Nazis because Weimar Germany was a leftist place full of pedophilia, forced prostitution, child prostitution, govt-endorsed exploitative unions, and police-endorsed police-protected leftist violence in the streets.

What are you talking about? The police was mostly dominated by right-wing, nationalist elements. For most of the time, the government was controlled by right-wing parties.

Hitler promised "If I am in charge, nothing like the German Civil War that recently claimed over 1 million german lives

Was he really crazy enough to claim that 1 million Germans died in the Spartacist revolt?

He wasn't even a very good nazi because instead of just killing jews wherever his people found them

Ever heard of the Einsatzgruppen? Or did Stormfront not mention them?

(Like how the jews genocided Christians in Russia)

Riiight. Now give me your opinion on Georgians, crazy man.

An iron law of comments is that anyone who uses 'genocide' as a verb is a nutcase.

he decided to send them to death camps with rabbit-breeding and theatres and swimming pools where they were paid for labour in their own currency.

This is an impressive amount of crazy.

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– DomitiusOfMassilia [M] 1 point 5 years ago +1 / -0

Comment Reported for: 12: Falsehoods

Not really what that rule is for.

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Comment Reported for: Nutsi

Comment Removed: This violates Rule 16, particularly the last paragraph.

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