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Modeler43 1 point ago +1 / -0

Emotion, thought, feeling.

Look I know where this sort of lead goes. Eventually we will get down to that a cup is art. A rock is art. It's a very woo woo liberal ideology and I commend you for debating on that side for the sake of holding your ground.

But in terms of objective emotional expression in art, this ain't it.

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Modeler43 2 points ago +2 / -0

"People don't rally behind fictional characters" - guy in a Gamergate sub

Who?

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Modeler43 1 point ago +1 / -0

AI slop is all bottom shelf vinegar.

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Modeler43 1 point ago +1 / -0

First, I told ⁦@grok⁩ to look at every single Amelia meme on the Internet. Second, I said: “Become Amelia, then make a video and tell the British people what you want them to know.”

What is being expressed by the user? There is no emotion behind the prompt, no apparent goal, no motive. Simple request and output.

There is no expression.

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Modeler43 1 point ago +1 / -0

Well yeah, that wasn't really the point of the thread though lol. I acknowledged that.

This isn't expression through art. It's not even expression. It's data output.

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Modeler43 2 points ago +2 / -0

In many respects it is. I did certainly imply it’s subjectivity when a user remarked elsewhere in the thread seal canvases v children scribbling on walls. To the hypothetical person, they don’t see the latter as art. I, personally, would, because art is inherently expression through a medium. Granted, to different degrees, I don’t find them equal art, but art nonetheless.

I don’t think, in the context of the parent thread, that AI slop is at all in line at all with art through activism/expression. It’s lines fed into a machine, that the user did not make, and the machine pores over data that the user did not log, and uses existing art that the user did not create, and outputs a video based on prompts that the user barely lifted a finger for.

It’s not expression. It’s data output.

What I just did in respect to the comment you replied to was ask a question to a different user, so I don’t really understand the context of your question.

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Modeler43 1 point ago +1 / -0

Yup! Thankfully, it seems most normal people who aren't terminally online would see this and make fun of it. There are certainly corners of the internet (like here, facebook, twitter etc) where people might see this sort of AI slop and write something like "AMEN" or whatever because they don't know any better

But regular people? What do you think they'll get out AI generated images? It's literal slop.

Do you actually have people in your life that you think would genuinely be moved by this?

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Modeler43 2 points ago +2 / -0

And someone with training using horse hair brushes, rabbit fat glue, okra oil paints and seal skin canvases would say that a kid with some shit and a wall to draw on is beneath their level of competance.

Sure! I'd disagree with them though. There will always be pretentious artists out there.

But a prompt fed into a computer with AI characters and voices churned out is not "art expression." It's beneath painting caves with chewed up food, because that actually takes effort, time, courage, emotion.

Letting a computer do the work for you after you show it content that other people made? Nah.

t's the message being inferred with AI, the onlooker becomes part of the piece.

Fucken lol.

Anyone who takes this...ahem..."piece" seriously is retarded.

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Modeler43 2 points ago +2 / -0

What constitutes art in your eyes?

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Modeler43 3 points ago +3 / -0

AI isn't taken seriously enough to spit in the face of anything. If you come to "controlling entities" with something like this you just get laughed at.

"Do it for her"? She doesn't exist. It's just the same sort of political memes, only now she moves and has a voice.

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Modeler43 1 point ago +1 / -0

That's definitely more of an art than AI

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Modeler43 2 points ago +2 / -0

I’d say making an effort to create a picture with paint is far more worthy of being called art than entering a prompt into a computer for an image output.

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Modeler43 3 points ago +3 / -0

AI is not art.

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Modeler43 8 points ago +8 / -0

abandon high visibility equipment to justify escalation when "protestors" attack it.

What is it about the idea of "setting traps" when nothing comes of it? People were saying the same thing about the Epstein files.

"Once the left starts begging for it they've fallen into the trap and then we release everything!" and then...nothing gets released.

It's so useless to keep speculating this is the move when the easier answer is ICE incompetency

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Modeler43 1 point ago +1 / -0

I just feel like

Yeah, you feeeeeel like. You don't know though, because these are things you've never done before.

That's why you go, try it out, and make the effort to talk to people in order to meet them. These are things you have, by your own admission, never tried before. These are ways that normal people chat with others and build a social network.

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Modeler43 1 point ago +1 / -0

It doesn't matter what your expectations are especially when you have no experience in these events as is.. The fact is that these are a lot of different things that you've never tried, where normal people tend to meet and build social lives and eventually meet people to date, and you are actively passing up in favor of wasting time.

You're asking how this happens, and this is your answer.

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Modeler43 1 point ago +1 / -0

I’ve given you loads of suggestions and you’ve been able to find a long list of options with even a minimal online search. You willingly avoid all of them despite never having done them before.

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Modeler43 1 point ago +1 / -0

Doctors are also (typically) in person with you, can understand context from previous visits, and can physically assess your body behavior and run tests.

It’s extremely different from using AI lol. Retarded to think that it’s the same.

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Modeler43 1 point ago +1 / -0

I can't believe people are triggered by things like this so easily

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Modeler43 4 points ago +4 / -0

Whether or not people are retards for using a program is not related in any way to whether the stock in that product will go up or down.

Man, every comment you're making yourself look dumber.

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Modeler43 5 points ago +5 / -0

And those people are retarded for it

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Modeler43 3 points ago +3 / -0

People who use AI for questions like this are retarded.

Including OP

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Modeler43 1 point ago +1 / -0

It's another funny incongruence that you'll give such leeway to the guy who stole your bike/bought a stolen bike, but apparently think someone disrespecting you back after you disrespect them is somehow the original asshole.

lol sorry, where did I disrespect you? By saying you don’t need to be the asshole when you said sometimes you have to be the asshole? Or something else?

You have been entirely intractable about both the general negative points of choosing to believe in fairy tale outcomes of real world events as an adult.

The “negative outcomes” you’ve listed (not taking proper action after the theft, not being more vigilant about if/when it happens in the future, etc) are things that aren’t happening here, so now I’m confused again about what negative points you’re referring to. Whatever clarity you think you’ve brought to the argument is muddied again.

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Modeler43 1 point ago +1 / -0

Hm. You were seemingly abandoning the thread until I pestered you, so you didn’t seem all that motivated to add context. You hadn’t really fulfilled any goal of having detail until I pressed for it as well. Your memory of how this exchange went is very different from mine.

I’m sure being the first asshole does get results sometimes. My proposal is that you could have also achieved those results not being a firey asshole.

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