Before anything, I am about a quarter into the 10th book of the Wheel of Time series. I came across an article with the showrunner of the upcoming Amazon Prime adaptation and he was answering questions from Twitter. I guess the changes are to be expected, but one person asked if there will be LGBT representation in the show and he said yes. They also asked about the "problematic" aspects of the book regarding treatment of women (due to torture and punishment).
Those two were the most annoying. The books have a lot of women in power and honestly so far women seem to be more competent than males. I notice the constant whining by some female fans if a female character has the least bit of adversity but men are routinely tortured and beaten ( saw this on the game of thrones reddit). As for the LGBT representation that just goes to the annoying trend of fans who have to "see themselves represented". Goes for everyone men, women, LGBT, etc. I would say you can always write your own story or only read stories written by someone that looks like you. I'm a black male and have read plenty of books where the characters were white and I never once thought about how diverse the characters were because I enjoyed the book. Same goes for books I ready by black, Asian, or Hispanic authors. Like I said, people who obsess over a diversity checklist need to write their own stories.
I remember Peter Jackson said that his goal was to show Tolkien's vision and not his. I guess nobody does that when adapting a book now. I'm undecided if I will watch it. Maybe wait for what they say here or what some of the youtubers I follow say.
The Left is all about superficiality. A character should be relatable because of who they are or what they do, not because of what they look like. Like finding Rincewind or Arthur Dent relatable because they appreciate boredom and know what an Interesting Life is really like. As for their damned sexual orientation, I don't see why I should care unless it's a love story/porno, and I'm not into either of those.
My two favorite comic book characters are Superman and Spider-Man. Then being white never mattered. I related to the fact they were idealistic like me.
Eh, that kind of isn't true about Superman when considering other versions like Val-Zod from Earth 2.
Val-Zod being black means from a comparative point of view against Kal-El, or any non black Kryptonian, he should be weaker.
Black skin exists because of localised geo-anatomical evolution where intense solar activity needed to be offset with melanin production so an individual would survive long enough to reproduce. Lots of other characteristics exist for the same reason, eye colour, blood types, etc.
As everyone organism has an energy budget [the sum total of energy they have to spend in their life] they need to balance how much is spent on surviving against how much is spent on reproducing given all things considered reproducing is the only endgame that matters to biology. So rather than going ham on producing more offspring that would just as easily die due to solar intensity related problems, some energy is spent on means to survive this environmental condition in both the parent and offspring.
Elsewhere in the world this physical feature isn't needed so it doesn't occur naturally. Hence white populations being endemic to temperate regions of the planet where the sun isn't as intense along with eye colours turning lighter the further you travel from the equator.
How this relates to Superman, and also to an extent space-faring, is that assuming Kryptonians also have darker skin for the same reason [which is admittedly applying IRL logic to things so more dismiss-able in the case of Superman than the other example I'm about to give], then the presence of melanin would hamper the ability to absorb solar energy as the melanin being above the rest of the skin cells would absorb it first. Kryptonians are literally solar power bio-batteries in many regards to the point that Poison Ivy has mistakenly tried to kidnap Clark Kent for that very reason because she could detect massive reserves of solar power in his presence not realising who he was at the time.
The other example regarding space-faring relates to how in the absence of planetary solar exposure, such as that you would find on spaceship, a human population would trend towards paler skin just as historically happened travelling from equatorial to temperate/arctic regions. Except more so in this case unless said space-farers found themselves on another planet or were actively exposing themselves to intense solar activity beyond what white populations experience on our planet. A light box for example can't turn you black, and neither can tanning beds but especially in the former case they still have uses. Spaceships would need to be very well shielded so any crew weren't irradiated outside of Earth's atmosphere.
Yet despite this Paradox kicked off about mods in their Stellaris game that would skew populations like this under the guise of it being racist despite it being just the usual, modern woke anti-white bullshit you get from popular entities these days.
I was saying as a kid those two were my favorite. I’m black and didn’t feel that they had to look like me to enjoy them. John Stewart green lantern was my favorite black character but I liked him because he was cool. But I grew up before the whole diversity checklist thing.
Same. The JL and JL:U cartoons are perhaps my favourite incarnation of the DC frontliners even though in some ways the lineup could perhaps be considered using a checklist what with using Stewart as the GL on the team and not Hal - although Hal does cameo in a timeline episode.
As a more topical question:
What did your parents think of those options?
My dad grew up reading marvel so he was fine with it. My mom didn’t care about comic books.
Nobody made the connection that both those heroes have dead parents? :P
We'd have much better stories in writers understood that we relate to what's inside more than what's on the outside.
Which is bullshit since it flat out ignores the lore dealing with the Red Ajah and The Vileness
https://wot.fandom.com/wiki/The_Vileness
And also everything that happens in the books because of the Reds including Rand being kidnapped, the subsequent Battle at Dumai's Wells, the Tower splitting [oh look an all woman group with massive infighting and backstabbing, who ever could imagine such a thing?!].
Some of the worst characters in the entire book are the women.
Of the Forsaken, the men are very straightforward when dealing with an issue, flat out killing someone with a weave or engaging them in combat be that channeling or swordplay.
The female Forsaken?
Lanfear is consumed by jealousy and insanely power hungry. She cares more about being with Lews Therin as a point of prestige than actually being with him and becomes extremely petty and vapid when she is left for Ilyena. Also she opens the fucking Bore that ends up breaking the fucking world!
Graendal is described as one of the most beautiful women to exist [although still not as much as Lanfear], and is extremely decadent controlling. Literally. She wears the most revealing clothes physically possibly and literally mind controls anyone she can with Compulsion.
Semirhage when considered against the other Forsaken is described in the lore as
Mesaana went from being a teacher [who was only a teacher because she was rejected as a researcher, something that likely directly lead to her turning to the evil side], to brainwashing children
And Moghedien was literally named for a spider due to being
Because of her behavior in acting behind the scenes, use of passive-aggression, and general avoidance towards direct confrontation as is again a fairly common behavior in women when acting in a hostile manner.
The show is going to be a complete shitshow for so many reasons and the characterisations of so many major characters are going to be flipped for whatever agendas the producers have stuck in their heads.
really thats your only problem?what about turning all the white characters black? I have no intention of watching even one minute of this show.
That showrunner calls himeself a fan, bs, no fan would shit on the show like hes doing.
Well that was the first red flag.
The cast is always a fan of the books or games that inspired the movie. They never are. I have 0 plans of seeing the series.
its pretty clear the two rivers is based on England pre Tony Blair.
But I get your point, most blackncharacters in books are white to me because it never crosses my mind to imagine then as black.
True. And when I create a character in an RPG I create a more fit version of myself.
Idleposting... I made it ten pages into Wheel of Time and then lit the book on fire.
Well I’m a big reader and love super detailed stuff so I’m enjoying it but I can understand why some wouldn’t like it.
Twitter levels of concentration don't go together with detailed and long epics. Honestly I found WoT much better than GoT and its morbidity.
You might like the Malazan Book of the Fallen.
That is next on my list. Thanks!
Would also suggest most of Sanderson's own work since he finished off the WoT books after Jordan popped it.
Most of it is under a single massive overarching universe but there are also stand alone ish books and series he's done.
Thank you. One good thing is that there is so much literature and TV shows out there before the woke era that I’ll never be able to finish it all in my life. I still haven’t watched Babylon 5.
That'll kind of throw a massive wrench into so many things. I mean another wrench, the entire show is going to be like a garage got together for a wrench-off. Wait that came out wrong...
Gawyn being one, Elayne being another because of connecting issues related to Gawyn and then further extension Birgitte, and not that I expect the series to last anywhere near this long but also the 4 fights involving a particular Big Bad since Gawyn is in one of them.
I also expect the end of her story to be completely rewritten again if it ever somehow manages to get that far.
Wonder if they'll still use Perrin to point out how dumb Egwene regarding Balefire.
Wait, this isn't Blind Guardian...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJtFXTIEwYQ
Gawyn will become the literal white knight for Egwene who is "bi" and Birgitte will discover she is bi too. Elayne will be the strong woman Egwene hands Rand off to, for his own good. (Which is already there in the book enough, that it will be easy to expand).
Where's my showrunner money? I spent all of 30 seconds on the toilet to come up with that.
Up until the point she almost gets herself and unborn children killed because she's too stupid to realise how a prophecy can be interpreted that is.
The Simp Knight
egwene is his fav character, says it all really
Pretty much. Won't even bother wasting the bandwidth to DL it.
Would fit Rey quite well with those since she attacked Luke with a lightsaber while he had just a stick. Nothing says "stronk and independent" like cheating to win.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Even during the pandemic, when we thought people would be dropping dead in the street, they were spewing hate and pushing for privileges.
I guess that's how you know it's fiction.
Good points. My sister despises feminist nonsense. She married her husband because as she said “she wanted a real man”
Nah, they don't. Virtually no woman will reject what privileges feminism has brought to them in the last decade. Privileges that more often than not came with no responsibilities, mind you.
They only hate todays feminists, because these insane harpies make the "real women" look bad by association.
Until women en mass start dismantling the injustices in numerous fields (reproductive rights, bodily integrity, domestic violence, selective service/vote, family court, criminal justice system and numerous others) i will not believe that they are not feminists. They may say so, but that's like me saying I am not human. Never hear what they say, look at what they do.
Hell, it would be enough if they even aknowledged these injustices. Bet ya they won't any time soon.
In my opinion, this take is almost as wrongheaded as the "all women are in cahoots to destroy men" take. Except this one seems reasonable at first glance, and is thus more harmful and pervasive. In my experience, there's an enormous amount of women (possibly a majority) who don't consider themselves feminist, yet: routinely enjoy painting themselves as victims, often think that men are unfairly prioritized over women, support the idea that we need more women in X just because X currently has more men then women, etc.
Women as a whole, are far from blameless. Sure, the extreme take that women are some unified menace, while amusing is clearly wrong. However this mythical "real women" concept is just pleasant fiction. In reality, women who reject feminist ideas entirely are even more rare than conservative women.
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