In the past it was the Church who was the arbiter of truth and the ultimate authority of the nature of the world. Now we have science for that, however instead of it being clear the science is "too difficult for any normal person to understand" so you must simply believe what people with 'authority' say. Since everybody is a specialist you simply need to take people at their word or you're spending 20+ hours every time learning just how exactly they're bending the truth.
Any doubt will be shouted at with "It's proven!!!" and "Educate yourself" rather than giving an actual sensible explanation. It's a house of cards that's going to fall eventually once one persons lies or false research becomes too large to defend.
"Science" is really just a method of trying to understand the world, via "scientific method" - that is, querying Nature rather than just making assumptive pronouncements about it. The problem is when it - or rather, scientists and scientific organizations, and scientists themselves, become subverted/corrupted, despite the checks and balances on itself it's supposed to have. Example - Descartes. Not a scientist, but the propaganda he spewed on behalf of sadists passing as "scientists" stuck as "science" and has caused more death and suffering than hitler, stalin, pol pot and all those assholes combined could even dream of.
I don't know that the SJWs would agree science is the ultimate arbiter of truth. We're talking about people who recently claimed that the idea that 2+2=4 is always correct is a western construct.
In my mind, it's just the tool for the job at times. When science agrees with them against their political opponents they "fucking love science" and their opponent is an idiot. When it disagrees with them, it's a sexist white way of looking at things and you really need to center indigenous ways of knowing.
What's great is the science is explicitly clear the antibody tests; the people at risk; the use of masks only being viable if properly done; that being outdoors shows minimal risk; that the virus was created in a lab; that deaths strictly from Covid are extremely low; that proper hygiene and sanitation is the biggest contributor, that cases continue to plummet; that the strength of the virus has decreased; that Americans significantly overestimate the amount of fatalities; that there's many highly successful treatment methods; that the numbers were overinflated; and that we've been over the peak for months.
But sure, let's listen to giant media and tech corporations that have a vested interest in keeping people locked inside because they're seeing record levels of engagement they can profit off of.
Yup, I have confidence in the scientific method, and I'd like to see any evidence at all that it's been brought to bear in the matter of the current crop of Covid legislation...
My city sub had daily hand wringing threads over hospital capacity being at 97 percent (a large chunk of that being non covid) and YOU GOD DAMNED ANTI-MASKERS, YOU DID THIS! THEYRE GONNA GET OVERRUN
Now a couple of months later... nothing. Just casually posting pictures of packed bars/gyms and trying to finger wag
Some really pathetic cuck posted a picture of a damn wedding ceremony from outside the building and went NO SOCIAL DISTANCING! 50+ PEOPLE, WHO DO I CALL? Like shut the fuck up you unbearable faggot.
You're right. The biggest issue I see them playing is that it was to stop it. These people can't really deal with both the idea that the supposed virus was never meant to be stopped and the idea that the slowdown was only to prevent the impact it would have on the hospitals. If you want to go further, you could also discuss the idea that the hospitalization numbers were also based on the same "data" that "predicted" 2 million dead Americans. They can't handle all that, so I think the most important part is to not let them change that part or it will have a cascading effect that will end up in the history books.
As the judge in the Pennsylvania court case pointed out, it started off as "flatten the curve", a reasonably well-defined goal that was enough to allow some of the restrictions legislated.
But that's gone now, replaced by this amorphous set of requirements to just do as you're damn well told, and that's not something the US constitution permits.
Over here in Japan it was, "Yes, it's not bad now, but give it two weeks and you'll see the explosion of exponential growth." Repeated every two weeks for six months. For six months now Japan has held to a steady 3-4 very old people dying each day (with a tiny number of outliers). Altogether, far, far below the number who die each and every day from pneumonia and influenza-related illness.
Have the early doomsayers changed their stance in the slightest? Of course not, they just double down on the histrionics, switch the goal posts as often as possible, and keep on spreading fear over what might happen if we all become 'complacent'.
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You dumb fuck. You don't need faith in science. One important thing about science is it works even when you don't believe in it.
People don’t doubt science - they doubt scientists.
It helps that they've paid the scientists to say what they want them to.
In the past it was the Church who was the arbiter of truth and the ultimate authority of the nature of the world. Now we have science for that, however instead of it being clear the science is "too difficult for any normal person to understand" so you must simply believe what people with 'authority' say. Since everybody is a specialist you simply need to take people at their word or you're spending 20+ hours every time learning just how exactly they're bending the truth.
Any doubt will be shouted at with "It's proven!!!" and "Educate yourself" rather than giving an actual sensible explanation. It's a house of cards that's going to fall eventually once one persons lies or false research becomes too large to defend.
"Science" is really just a method of trying to understand the world, via "scientific method" - that is, querying Nature rather than just making assumptive pronouncements about it. The problem is when it - or rather, scientists and scientific organizations, and scientists themselves, become subverted/corrupted, despite the checks and balances on itself it's supposed to have. Example - Descartes. Not a scientist, but the propaganda he spewed on behalf of sadists passing as "scientists" stuck as "science" and has caused more death and suffering than hitler, stalin, pol pot and all those assholes combined could even dream of.
I don't know that the SJWs would agree science is the ultimate arbiter of truth. We're talking about people who recently claimed that the idea that 2+2=4 is always correct is a western construct.
In my mind, it's just the tool for the job at times. When science agrees with them against their political opponents they "fucking love science" and their opponent is an idiot. When it disagrees with them, it's a sexist white way of looking at things and you really need to center indigenous ways of knowing.
well these people are dogmatic... their scientists say that Bruce Jenner is a woman, theyll believe anything.
What's great is the science is explicitly clear the antibody tests; the people at risk; the use of masks only being viable if properly done; that being outdoors shows minimal risk; that the virus was created in a lab; that deaths strictly from Covid are extremely low; that proper hygiene and sanitation is the biggest contributor, that cases continue to plummet; that the strength of the virus has decreased; that Americans significantly overestimate the amount of fatalities; that there's many highly successful treatment methods; that the numbers were overinflated; and that we've been over the peak for months.
But sure, let's listen to giant media and tech corporations that have a vested interest in keeping people locked inside because they're seeing record levels of engagement they can profit off of.
Yup, I have confidence in the scientific method, and I'd like to see any evidence at all that it's been brought to bear in the matter of the current crop of Covid legislation...
Old and busted: Healthy people should not wear a mask
New hotness: Masks are more guaranteed to protect me than a vaccine
old busted hotness
*slow the spread
These differences are crucial to tracking back the gaslighting.
It was never about stopping anything. This kind of thing is the reason we are where we are.
That's still too vague. It was to keep the hospitals from being overwhelmed. When was the last time we saw the numbers about our hospital capacity?
My city sub had daily hand wringing threads over hospital capacity being at 97 percent (a large chunk of that being non covid) and YOU GOD DAMNED ANTI-MASKERS, YOU DID THIS! THEYRE GONNA GET OVERRUN
Now a couple of months later... nothing. Just casually posting pictures of packed bars/gyms and trying to finger wag
Some really pathetic cuck posted a picture of a damn wedding ceremony from outside the building and went NO SOCIAL DISTANCING! 50+ PEOPLE, WHO DO I CALL? Like shut the fuck up you unbearable faggot.
You're right. The biggest issue I see them playing is that it was to stop it. These people can't really deal with both the idea that the supposed virus was never meant to be stopped and the idea that the slowdown was only to prevent the impact it would have on the hospitals. If you want to go further, you could also discuss the idea that the hospitalization numbers were also based on the same "data" that "predicted" 2 million dead Americans. They can't handle all that, so I think the most important part is to not let them change that part or it will have a cascading effect that will end up in the history books.
As the judge in the Pennsylvania court case pointed out, it started off as "flatten the curve", a reasonably well-defined goal that was enough to allow some of the restrictions legislated.
But that's gone now, replaced by this amorphous set of requirements to just do as you're damn well told, and that's not something the US constitution permits.
Over here in Japan it was, "Yes, it's not bad now, but give it two weeks and you'll see the explosion of exponential growth." Repeated every two weeks for six months. For six months now Japan has held to a steady 3-4 very old people dying each day (with a tiny number of outliers). Altogether, far, far below the number who die each and every day from pneumonia and influenza-related illness.
Have the early doomsayers changed their stance in the slightest? Of course not, they just double down on the histrionics, switch the goal posts as often as possible, and keep on spreading fear over what might happen if we all become 'complacent'.