I agree that FDR implemented fascism but we absolutely reversed a bunch of stuff. We reversed his executive order for interning Japanese citizens. We reversed his mandatory ban and confiscation of Gold & Silver bullion. JFK slashed his insane tax rate. Wage, price, and trade union/commission controls were all eroded or done away with. A lot of the New Deal stuff was overturned at the time.
We have made some progress on different issues since the 1940's. I wouldn't be stacking silver if we hadn't.
I still wouldn't say that, though. In fact, a lot of people would shit on me for this, but I think that the US has been slowly moving away from Fabian Socialism since it's Zenith in the 40's. I think we're actually moving slowly, decade by decade, back towards Liberalism.
In previous decades, they never had to actually make an act as desperate as a counter-revolution. With pirate radio, they straight up criminalized it. Janet Reno tried to literally use the force of the FBI to shoot it to death. Normally, corporate cartels would allow for regulation and licensing enough to stifle their opposition & competition, while working with unions to ensure that labor was controlled.
There was a time where everybody looked up to getting a job at "one of the big 3/4/5/6" in whatever field they were in. Corporate Cartels were the norm, and even considered an important aspect of American life. There was a time when if you pissed someone off at one of the cartelized corporations, your career was over everywhere. There was a time when if you weren't with the union, they'd break your fucking legs. There was a time when killing "scags" and "stool pigeons" was a moral act.
There was a time when there was only 3 TV stations, when the government created a 50 year multi-trillion dollar infrastructure project to fight the Soviets, where the military incentive the banks and construction companies to move people out of cities and into nearby housing complexes in the event of a nuclear attack. Where near these very communities were Anti-Strategic Missile Defense systems (NIKE sites). There was a time the entire American Aerospace industry was developed at the behest of NASA, NRO, and the USAF. There was a time when you worked at one company for 50 years. There was a time when the president of the United States said of a single news anchor: "If I've lost Cronkite, I've lost the war."
The American Corporatist culture is nothing like what it once was. Maybe this is part of the perspective I gain living as the Millennial child of a genuine Baby Boomer. Corpartism, the inevitable endpoint of any pragmatic approach to Socialism, has been broken by economic and technological factors outside of it's control; and this breakdown has caused the serious decay of our Corporatist institutions. They can't be saved. More importantly, they shouldn't be saved.
The fact that the society & culture itself is turning away from Corporatism, while the Corporatists reach out to Progressivism, National Socialism, and Communism out of desperation, is a sign that we really have moved quite a distance away from the way things used to be. There are now even some working class people embracing anti-union positions, no threat of them being murdered or fleeing for their lives. No one looks at Don Lemon or Anderson Cooper like they did towards Walter Cronkite. Even Dan Rather's credibility has been sullied beyond repair.
The unions are failing, they can barely control their own members to vote correctly. The media is being soundly rejected. The big cartels have broken, or have even changed hands with major players falling out completely. Really look at it from a dispassionate historical perspective of where we were to where we are, and I think you'll see that we've been sliding towards Liberalism.
Think about it like this:
"You think El Presidente is getting weaker? He's ordering secret police to shoot people in the street. They're shooting people randomly!"
"If El Presidente was strong, he wouldn't have to make those orders at all."
Leftist policies are unsustainable. It is cultural entropy and the natural force of societal decay. Their inevitable failures and the accompanying violence doesn't mean they have less power. Cancel culture is the modern equivalent of breaking legs and more effective.
I would have said the biggest issue with FDR was the seizing of all private gold & silver reserves via executive order, and the mass incarceration of Japanese Americans without charge.
Then they're literally asking to die. In places they have no place being in. And from just the first case of destruction of property in such an area, no one will come to their defense.
Yes, now that someone is dead, let's escalate. Better yet, let's make what Trump is selling look like it's actually happening. Brilliant.
And in case my comment isn't obvious. This is a terrible idea on just about all levels.
They've already been invading suburbs. They just haven't gone to full Maga ones.
This comment is level-headed, but also wildly ignorant. 34 people are dead. He doesn't seem to realize it. Antifa has been rioting through residential neighborhoods and harassing locals for the past month, and not only in Portland, but even in Louisville and DC. This policy has already been in place... and he's talking about "make what Trump is selling look like it's actually happening". So he doesn't really understand that everything he's afraid of demonstrating, has been happening for over a month.
Don't tell them let the silent red pill sweep the nation come election night. I think the DNC finally figured out that this shit got way out of control but the dog's off the leash.
The communist insurrection wasn't intentional, it was the progressives trying to stab the corporatists in the spine, while using the racialists as a pawn. So the Corporatists decided co-opt the insurrection , and use the racialists to legitimize themselves.
Now they're stuck pandering to National Socialists and Communists, both who wouldn't mind the Corpratists being dead.
Domestic terrorists going into patriot country and trying to Burn, Loot and Murder? Cool, sounds like a fun 6 minutes. Like when Texas had a "Draw Muhammad" contest and a couple slimes showed up, shot at them and got lit the fuck up.
The red state residents call the police on the rioters or attempt citizen arrests, with the regressive leftists resisting arrest and potentially becoming violent, risking death.
If several regressive leftists die, the democrat states they originated from will likely ban people who killed in self defense, or put out secret arrest warrants to snag them if they ever enter.
People should of consider this: The left should do the same. Every time i see video of a small town BLM rally in a conservative area, MAGAts go insane. They Pull guns, harass, beat.
Leave the cities and go do BLM rallies in trump country! Let the MAGAts lose their shit on video.
We have cars too. BLM car parade time through rural oregon!
(Our friends in Rogue River for instance got absolutely intimidated and harassed by racists when they tried to hold a rally.)
Especially when you consider this history.
The bit about "this history" was some libtard on Twatter claiming that the Nazis would hold rallies and start fights, then claim that they were the ones that could save the people from the violence.
Honestly, I think they seem to forget that the Right has cameras, too, and will be more than happy to film these morons coming into town and starting shit before they start drawing fire from the local gun club.
Has there ever actually been a small town BLM rally in a conservative area where the ralliers got guns pulled on them (without them using violence first) or beaten? I'll skip "harass" because we know that they consider opposition to be harassment.
"Oh hi sheriff! Have I seen any out of towners around recently? Nope, sorry haven't seen anyone come through here. Yep, just doing some work on my backhoe here. Gonna be trenching in a water line to the old shed before winter. I'll be sure to let you know if I see those missing Portland people you're looking for."
Kind of hope they do at this point, fuck around and find out.
I'd love to see some small town sheriff look the other way while they get ran out of town on a rail. I have had zero sympathy for them for a while but after last night now i hope they go into enemy territory... in minecraft, of course for any of our glowing friends watching. I know they won't fuck around with my state.
They honestly think "rednecks" cannot read, or that right-thinking groups have joined their websites and can see exactly what they are doing.
Exactly like when they tried to slip "confederates" into the Tea Party rallies with nasty signs, take pictures and run... the Tea Party was waiting for them in swarms (with signs and cameras of their own).
Well, it's pretty common sense. When it's only in major cities, most of the country can ignore it. On top of that, city folks themselves kind of ignore it, because they're vaguely used to seeing protest movements fill their streets.
In small towns/lesser cities, this kind of shit never happens, so when it finally does happen it will be a major shock to the people living there - most of whom will have never seen even a peaceful protest, let a lone a riot, in their entire lives.
It would be an exposive tipping point for sure.
The replies in the thread are virtually all negative, because they know that's not a fight they can win at this stage. Slow and steady wins the race for the communists. A full-on showdown right now would be game over for them.
If the word "fascism" escapes a person's lips, I immediately identify him or her as a communist.
FDR implemented fascism in the US and we never reversed anything he did.
I agree that FDR implemented fascism but we absolutely reversed a bunch of stuff. We reversed his executive order for interning Japanese citizens. We reversed his mandatory ban and confiscation of Gold & Silver bullion. JFK slashed his insane tax rate. Wage, price, and trade union/commission controls were all eroded or done away with. A lot of the New Deal stuff was overturned at the time.
We have made some progress on different issues since the 1940's. I wouldn't be stacking silver if we hadn't.
You're right. I didn't think that one through. We were still aggressively Keynesian before the wuflu though, and now we're more left than ever.
I still wouldn't say that, though. In fact, a lot of people would shit on me for this, but I think that the US has been slowly moving away from Fabian Socialism since it's Zenith in the 40's. I think we're actually moving slowly, decade by decade, back towards Liberalism.
State backed corporations are openly funding socialist counter-revolutionaries, and you call that less progressive?
No, I call that regular progressive.
In previous decades, they never had to actually make an act as desperate as a counter-revolution. With pirate radio, they straight up criminalized it. Janet Reno tried to literally use the force of the FBI to shoot it to death. Normally, corporate cartels would allow for regulation and licensing enough to stifle their opposition & competition, while working with unions to ensure that labor was controlled.
There was a time where everybody looked up to getting a job at "one of the big 3/4/5/6" in whatever field they were in. Corporate Cartels were the norm, and even considered an important aspect of American life. There was a time when if you pissed someone off at one of the cartelized corporations, your career was over everywhere. There was a time when if you weren't with the union, they'd break your fucking legs. There was a time when killing "scags" and "stool pigeons" was a moral act.
There was a time when there was only 3 TV stations, when the government created a 50 year multi-trillion dollar infrastructure project to fight the Soviets, where the military incentive the banks and construction companies to move people out of cities and into nearby housing complexes in the event of a nuclear attack. Where near these very communities were Anti-Strategic Missile Defense systems (NIKE sites). There was a time the entire American Aerospace industry was developed at the behest of NASA, NRO, and the USAF. There was a time when you worked at one company for 50 years. There was a time when the president of the United States said of a single news anchor: "If I've lost Cronkite, I've lost the war."
The American Corporatist culture is nothing like what it once was. Maybe this is part of the perspective I gain living as the Millennial child of a genuine Baby Boomer. Corpartism, the inevitable endpoint of any pragmatic approach to Socialism, has been broken by economic and technological factors outside of it's control; and this breakdown has caused the serious decay of our Corporatist institutions. They can't be saved. More importantly, they shouldn't be saved.
The fact that the society & culture itself is turning away from Corporatism, while the Corporatists reach out to Progressivism, National Socialism, and Communism out of desperation, is a sign that we really have moved quite a distance away from the way things used to be. There are now even some working class people embracing anti-union positions, no threat of them being murdered or fleeing for their lives. No one looks at Don Lemon or Anderson Cooper like they did towards Walter Cronkite. Even Dan Rather's credibility has been sullied beyond repair.
The unions are failing, they can barely control their own members to vote correctly. The media is being soundly rejected. The big cartels have broken, or have even changed hands with major players falling out completely. Really look at it from a dispassionate historical perspective of where we were to where we are, and I think you'll see that we've been sliding towards Liberalism.
Think about it like this:
"You think El Presidente is getting weaker? He's ordering secret police to shoot people in the street. They're shooting people randomly!"
"If El Presidente was strong, he wouldn't have to make those orders at all."
Leftist policies are unsustainable. It is cultural entropy and the natural force of societal decay. Their inevitable failures and the accompanying violence doesn't mean they have less power. Cancel culture is the modern equivalent of breaking legs and more effective.
I would have said the biggest issue with FDR was the seizing of all private gold & silver reserves via executive order, and the mass incarceration of Japanese Americans without charge.
Hmmmm. What if I call these Neo-Liberal Antifa / BLM freaks the real fascists?
They certainly act like the fascists they accuse everyone else of being.
Then they're literally asking to die. In places they have no place being in. And from just the first case of destruction of property in such an area, no one will come to their defense.
They've already been invading suburbs. They just haven't gone to full Maga ones.
This comment is level-headed, but also wildly ignorant. 34 people are dead. He doesn't seem to realize it. Antifa has been rioting through residential neighborhoods and harassing locals for the past month, and not only in Portland, but even in Louisville and DC. This policy has already been in place... and he's talking about "make what Trump is selling look like it's actually happening". So he doesn't really understand that everything he's afraid of demonstrating, has been happening for over a month.
Don't tell them let the silent red pill sweep the nation come election night. I think the DNC finally figured out that this shit got way out of control but the dog's off the leash.
The communist insurrection wasn't intentional, it was the progressives trying to stab the corporatists in the spine, while using the racialists as a pawn. So the Corporatists decided co-opt the insurrection , and use the racialists to legitimize themselves.
Now they're stuck pandering to National Socialists and Communists, both who wouldn't mind the Corpratists being dead.
Those weren't "people", comrade, those were enemies of the revolution!! They don't count!
Say, you ask a lot of questions. Are you an enemy of the revolution?
No, I am JUANITO of Tropico News Today!
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Everyday we get closer to just being a large Tropico with fewer Llamas.
Domestic terrorists going into patriot country and trying to Burn, Loot and Murder? Cool, sounds like a fun 6 minutes. Like when Texas had a "Draw Muhammad" contest and a couple slimes showed up, shot at them and got lit the fuck up.
Two things will happen:
The red state residents call the police on the rioters or attempt citizen arrests, with the regressive leftists resisting arrest and potentially becoming violent, risking death.
If several regressive leftists die, the democrat states they originated from will likely ban people who killed in self defense, or put out secret arrest warrants to snag them if they ever enter.
They're gonna have a hell of a time trying to riot in places with stand your ground laws and castle doctrine.
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The bit about "this history" was some libtard on Twatter claiming that the Nazis would hold rallies and start fights, then claim that they were the ones that could save the people from the violence.
Honestly, I think they seem to forget that the Right has cameras, too, and will be more than happy to film these morons coming into town and starting shit before they start drawing fire from the local gun club.
Has there ever actually been a small town BLM rally in a conservative area where the ralliers got guns pulled on them (without them using violence first) or beaten? I'll skip "harass" because we know that they consider opposition to be harassment.
If there ever was one, it would be front page news 24/7. That it isn't means that it hasn't happened yet.
"Oh hi sheriff! Have I seen any out of towners around recently? Nope, sorry haven't seen anyone come through here. Yep, just doing some work on my backhoe here. Gonna be trenching in a water line to the old shed before winter. I'll be sure to let you know if I see those missing Portland people you're looking for."
Kind of hope they do at this point, fuck around and find out.
I'd love to see some small town sheriff look the other way while they get ran out of town on a rail. I have had zero sympathy for them for a while but after last night now i hope they go into enemy territory... in minecraft, of course for any of our glowing friends watching. I know they won't fuck around with my state.
They honestly think "rednecks" cannot read, or that right-thinking groups have joined their websites and can see exactly what they are doing.
Exactly like when they tried to slip "confederates" into the Tea Party rallies with nasty signs, take pictures and run... the Tea Party was waiting for them in swarms (with signs and cameras of their own).
Well, it's pretty common sense. When it's only in major cities, most of the country can ignore it. On top of that, city folks themselves kind of ignore it, because they're vaguely used to seeing protest movements fill their streets.
In small towns/lesser cities, this kind of shit never happens, so when it finally does happen it will be a major shock to the people living there - most of whom will have never seen even a peaceful protest, let a lone a riot, in their entire lives.
It would be an exposive tipping point for sure.
The replies in the thread are virtually all negative, because they know that's not a fight they can win at this stage. Slow and steady wins the race for the communists. A full-on showdown right now would be game over for them.
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Retarded marxist screeching about taking the riots to MAGA areas of the country.
I do like the guy down there going full "MUH FIRST AMENDMENT" when anyone points out this is gonna get people killed.
Proving that, like always, they are no different than the people they mock when given the opening.