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Remember, it's not a gun problem (media.kotakuinaction2.win)
posted 5 years ago by WinWithMe 5 years ago by WinWithMe +108 / -0
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– TentElephant 64 points 5 years ago +64 / -0

Hate facts

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– Hyponoeo 22 points 5 years ago +22 / -0

Wow those are some serious hate facts indeed. Those are downright Nazi Hitler facts.

lolhatefacts such a dumb concept

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– Gizortnik 15 points 5 years ago +15 / -0

Hate Facts are a dumb concept generally. Not just because 'facts' can't be hateful, it's just data. But it's also because some people just use it as a Gish Gallop.

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– Webasdias 39 points 5 years ago +39 / -0

Know what'd really illuminate the point? Separate the data into sets with legally* obtained firearms used by the rightful owner and then illegally obtained ones.

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– Hyponoeo 3 points 5 years ago +3 / -0

That I would especially be interested in seeing.

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– Webasdias 1 point 5 years ago +1 / -0

Well tbh, considering defensive uses aren't counted as homicides, it would just be a virtually blank chart compared to the same chart, but it would at least be funny.

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– deleted 26 points 5 years ago +26 / -0
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– the_nybbler 1 point 5 years ago +1 / -0

White people need to step up their game.

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– deleted 1 point 5 years ago +1 / -0
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– the_nybbler 1 point 5 years ago +1 / -0

Turns out that mass shootings are pretty much in line with demographics.

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– Hyponoeo 1 point 5 years ago +1 / -0

I am sorry. Not really related to your post or about what you said directly.... just a little observation...

But when they started using the term "Brown" people this whole color thing got really really extra stupid. Black people are no more "black" than white people are "white" short of some rare outliers. They are actually brown skinned, but then you get people who are....less brown called brown now while people who are more brown skinned are not called brown [and I bet you would be racist or something if yous aid it].

Ah this all is so dumb xD

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– Steampunk_Moustache 26 points 5 years ago +26 / -0

OOF

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– ApparentlyImAHeretic 14 points 5 years ago +14 / -0

Is there any data that separates shootings by geography, as opposed to race? Curious to see if this is skewed by hotspots.

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– TechParadox 27 points 5 years ago +27 / -0

Considering the majority of black people in the US live in urban areas, I'd say there's not much of a skew on geography. You don't exactly see a lot of black families living in rural Illinois, but you'll damn sure see a lot of gang shootings every weekend in Chicago (a supposed gun-free zone, mind you).

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– Cakes4077 10 points 5 years ago +10 / -0

Southern Illinois actually has a quite a large (proportionally) black population. Cairo, Illinois has a very interesting and tragic race history. You don’t stop when you drive through that town if you can help it and it is basically the definition of white flight.

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– Machksov 3 points 5 years ago +3 / -0

Not to mention East St Louis, which is on the IL side of the border. And Springfield has gotten pretty black. Decatur, famously so. Kankakee is darker than it once was. Even small towns like Jacksonville are seeing an influx of black populations.

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– stanzololthrowaway 8 points 5 years ago +8 / -0

Still it'd be interesting. As a teenager I lived in a suburb of a city with a fairly large black population, the suburb of which had a still fairly high, but much lower number of blacks. I went to high school with a fair number of them, and as far as I know, not a single black person in my class ever so much as committed a misdemeanor much less gun crime.

At this point, I want to say that high black population density is the cause of crime, and its the presence of white people (such as in suburbs) that suppresses crime in otherwise diverse neighborhoods. In Texas, where I live, much like the rest of the South, you also have the phenomena of majority black rural towns with populations of 3,000 or less. These towns also have a pretty high crime rate, though obviously it is far lower than the urban black crime rate. As far as I'm aware, the concept of the "black rural town" is completely alien to yankees.

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– ApparentlyImAHeretic 1 point 5 years ago +1 / -0

Oh I totally get that. That said, I would be willing to bet that part of the reason for the violence is the vicious cycle . Something like "I need to learn to shoot and fight so I can stay ahead of the violent people around me. If I don't show them I'm tough, I will be their victim one day."

The few people I've talked to who came from violent neighborhoods said they had to completely change their attitudes toward life once they got away.

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– Adamrises 2 points 5 years ago +2 / -0

Being from the South, the one place where black populations exist in large quantities outside the major urban sprawls, I can say that its quite a similar breakdown even in the moral dilapidated and semi-rural areas of the Swamps.

So, while its likely being in the big city exacerbates the root factors, it still seems to be prevalent outside it based on my experiences.

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– zakat 8 points 5 years ago +8 / -0

Austria number is wrong. It takes the firearm-related death rate (2.75) and puts it as homicide rate. The suicide rate though is the biggest part of the death rate (2.44). Homicide is 0.1. Undetermined 0.11, so we're looking at most at a homicide rate of 0.21.

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– deleted 6 points 5 years ago +6 / -0
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– bg4u 18 points 5 years ago +18 / -0

Interesting. I wonder what the demographic breakdown looks like for that. Surely nothing like these stats. That would just be crazy. Almost like some kind of pattern or something.

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– Glagaire 10 points 5 years ago +10 / -0

Just for London over past 10 years (from London Metropolitan Police).

White people are 40% of the victims, 30% of perpetrators, 60% of population (1 : 0.5 under-representation).

Black people 21% of victims, 47% of perpetrators, 13% of population (3.6 : 1 over-representation)

So a seven-fold difference in proportional representation.

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– deleted 10 points 5 years ago +10 / -0
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– reidj 1 point 5 years ago +1 / -0

How are they supposed to ban sharp and/or pointy knives if they can't even ban guns?

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– RaidOverMoscow 4 points 5 years ago +4 / -0

Finland data is clearly wrong. Current numbers are 1,23 homicides / 100000 and they are not all committed with firearms.

Perhaps the data is very old or it includes suicides with a gun.

https://findikaattori.fi/fi/97

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– dosn 1 point 5 years ago +1 / -0

Probably includes suicides, like the US data does.

Otherwise it wouldnt be a fair comparison.

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– deleted 1 point 5 years ago +1 / -0
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– spambot 1 point 5 years ago +1 / -0

No.... we have a gun solution and it's not more regulation.

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