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Elon Musk says Mars can wait — SpaceX shifted focus to building a self-growing city on the Moon (archive.ph)
posted 99 days ago by Mpetey123 99 days ago by Mpetey123 +31 / -0
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– SocraticMethod1 18 points 99 days ago +18 / -0

Reasonable, best to set up some kind of infrastructure on the moon first to aid travel later.

I just wonder if we have the wrong path, by that I mean, could we do anything with Venus than focusing on Mars?

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– Grumman 25 points 99 days ago +25 / -0

Mars is a wasteland but Venus is hell. The Moon isn't any good either, but at least it's close enough that you can go home.

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– SocraticMethod1 16 points 99 days ago +16 / -0

Need to start really getting off world though. Resource extraction alone in space if successfully done would destroy globalism in seconds.

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– ModsAreAIDS 9 points 99 days ago +9 / -0

Need to start really getting off world though.

It's never going to happen. Humans can't survive for long in the radiation outside of the Earth's magnetosphere. To properly shield against it would require literal tons of mass. Every extra pound requires more fuel to lift it, which adds extra pounds, which requires more fuel to lift it, which adds extra pounds...

The only thing we will be sending into space for any stretch of time are robots. We're stuck here.

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– PM-Melania-feet-pics 11 points 99 days ago +11 / -0

You're missing the point. We could only get that done with a high-trust, cohesive, ethnically homogeneous society run by high-IQ White men. Those days are over, never to return.

NASA is now just another welfare program for troons, fags and roasties.

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– SocraticMethod1 10 points 99 days ago +10 / -0

I don't think so, I think we'll at least planet hop, especially if we learn how to cryogenically suspend people.

Space is a barrier we HAVE to overcome as so long as we stick with the mindset of 'Earth is the only planet we can have', the current globalist scumbags of the world will ALWAYS have a leash on us.

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– TCDforver 2 points 98 days ago +2 / -0

To properly shield against it would require literal tons of mass

...you realize there is mass there right?

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– deleted 1 point 99 days ago +1 / -0
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– MassivePecorino 7 points 98 days ago +7 / -0

Read The High Frontier by Dr. Gerard O'Neill. All the theoretical work has been done, but The Powers That Be keep trying to squash the execution.

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– AntonioOfVenice 2 points 99 days ago +2 / -0

Resource extraction alone in space if successfully done

Big if. It's prohibitively expensive.

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– SocraticMethod1 10 points 99 days ago +10 / -0

And ironically, if done would crash the economy.

But since said economy according to a certain blonde idiot justifies not looking into pedo rings, I'm ok with this...

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– Smith1980 3 points 99 days ago +3 / -0

Mars does have water you can use. Although the equipment for that would take a bit

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– Ahaus667 12 points 99 days ago +12 / -0

Also he’s likely going for what he can achieve in his lifetime. He’s probably taking stock in whether any of his children can be worthy successors and not liking the odds.

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– ernsithe 10 points 99 days ago +10 / -0

This. He thought we'd get to Mars in 10 years. We didn't. He's got a better sense of how things actually move. He wants to see the big step happen, so he's got to pull in the goalposts.

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– deleted 8 points 99 days ago +8 / -0
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– SocraticMethod1 2 points 99 days ago +2 / -0

Oh I recall the Soviet probes, the surface I know is a no go zone, I just wonder in the atmosphere since it has a unique structure.

We basically need to look at options depending on time, as any longer plan increases risk to stall.

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– deleted 4 points 99 days ago +4 / -0
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– SocraticMethod1 5 points 99 days ago +5 / -0

Better to spit ball than just rely on the recommended sources, especially Wikipedia.

Besides with robotics and AI, maybe we can find uses for planets we can't inhabit but still exploit.

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– TheMafia 7 points 99 days ago +7 / -0

No. It isn't. The delta-v to go back and forth from the moon makes other interplanetary trips more difficult by an unreasonable factor.

Aside from that interplanetary travel is a game of alignment. The best windows to travel to Mars, for example, only open every 2 years for a period of 1 month. Mars spends half it's time on the other side of the Sun. The Moon has zero utility to this problem.

There's no resources there. The day night cycle is 28 days long. There are moonquakes. Moon dust has the same properties as sandpaper.

You do not want to build anything there.

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– HallucinatoryBeing 9 points 99 days ago +9 / -0

Moon dust has the same properties as sandpaper.

Worse, asbestos. People laugh at the Cave Johnson bit in Portal 2, but it really is like breathing in tiny, sharp fragments of broken glass.

Earth dust at least has erosion and weathering to round off the edges.

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– ernsithe 5 points 99 days ago +5 / -0

It's still a decent testbed for the technologies and techniques that would have to be developed. The proximity is a win in that regard. And if you can deal with the quakes and abrasive dust, you'll have habitats that are arguably over-engineered for Mars.

It's like testing in the desert, but you have to prove it can be launched, landed, and deployed in the same run.

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– SocraticMethod1 5 points 99 days ago +5 / -0

I know the Soviets managed to land probes and get a minute or two of data, hell if we could do floating platforms to test the concept, that would open the door to how we could terraform earlier than the time it would take to set anything up on Mars.

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