A ton of libertarians are making very good points, and deservedly calling out the admin for their terrible stances. The "conservative" position is that if you're carrying a gun and magazines, you're a terrorist. If you film feds, you're a terrorist. If you interact with feds while armed, you deserve to die.
I see a lot of people drawing comparisons between this and Ruby Ridge, or the Bundy standoff. You can say the admin is just misspeaking, but it's still troubling seeing so many conservatives getting on board with speech that would justify the execution of the Bundy boys and the like.
You can be anti-leftist, anti-agitator, anti-communist...and also against the government lying about an American they just killed.
A ton of conservatives are being absolutely fucking retarded.
The Admin response, particularly Kash's, has been embarrassing. All they had to do is come out and say, "he was killed in the commission of a federal felony assault on an officer while impeding law enforcement operations. We will investigate the situation but initial reports show that the officers' response was reasonable given the situation that Pretti and the rioters in general have created."
The "conservative" position is that if you're carrying a gun and magazines, you're a terrorist. If you film feds, you're a terrorist. If you interact with feds while armed, you deserve to die.
Like their faggot prophet Alinsky said: Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules.
90% chance the feds messed up here and killed this guy after NDing his Sig (I mean, after the Sig NDed itself). If that turns out to be true, the agents should be censured with appropriate penalties.
At the same time, the guy took an unnecessary risk and the worst ended up happening.
Mistakes happen. It should be cleaned up and we should move on. You have the right to the Second Amendment at a protest but if you insist on wrestling the feds at the same time then someone is eventually going to get hurt. Either you, a fed, or some bystander.
If you interact with feds while armed, you deserve to die.
I mean, people don't deserve to die because they go underwater cave diving, but it happens sometimes.
At the same time, the guy took an unnecessary risk and the worst ended up happening.
Yup. A lot of people are being so tribal they act like if you condemn the government, you like Alex Pretti and think he did nothing wrong. He was a shitty communist who was a bit of a jackass. The killing was still likely unjustified (in my opinion), and the narrative after the fact is definitely disgusting.
Both can be true. I'm not on Pretti's "side" or anything. Alex Fucked Around, Found Out. The feds Fucked Up.
I agree with you but I will say I have extreme “protester fatigue”. Sick of these morons injecting themselves into these situations and getting treated like heroes but. As you say it was a major screw up by ICE. I would just love to ask them why they are so eager to protect the murderers, rapists, etc that they are there to arrest. Similar issues I had with the blm scum and the zombies who protested over Floyd. I was like if you want to protest black ppl getting killed then march your butt to these inner cities but no.
I agree with you but I will say I have extreme “protester fatigue”.
Oh, I get it. They're being absolutely vile jackasses, often state-sponsored. The Dem establishment is knee-deep in this, and the leftist rioters are often to the state of terrorism.
What they've done to innocent people, citizen journalists, and feds (including off duty) has been really disgusting. You won't find me defending them; they want war, they want more violence, and they'd actually love it if ICE/fedbois killed more protestors. They want martyrs.
I completely condemn the leftists. I also want the feds to be much better trained if they're being sent out into that, and I want the admin to have an actual conservative response as well, and not come off like Dems themselves.
Devon mentioned it a few streams back. How we gotta be dancing on the graves of our enemies, the protesters, because they would have danced on ours. We do that, we deny them the victimhood.
There's something very satisfying about the idea of joining ICE because it's the only socially acceptable way to backhand a suburban liberal boomer Karen right in her yappy fucking mouth.
But you've still got a lot of "based conservatives" saying things that are completely believable of coming out of the mouths of the most insufferable of shitlibs.
The admin's strategy has been to invoke Schmitttian friend/enemy distinction by tapping into the frustrations of years of political neglect. The problem is, the admin is just another arm of ZOG that wants infinite browns in the country. They are just another enemy. They're trying to blur friend/enemy distinction and hope to mask their intent by leaning into a tribalism. Not having principles is the point.
I'm prepared for my downvotes.
A ton of libertarians are making very good points, and deservedly calling out the admin for their terrible stances. The "conservative" position is that if you're carrying a gun and magazines, you're a terrorist. If you film feds, you're a terrorist. If you interact with feds while armed, you deserve to die.
I see a lot of people drawing comparisons between this and Ruby Ridge, or the Bundy standoff. You can say the admin is just misspeaking, but it's still troubling seeing so many conservatives getting on board with speech that would justify the execution of the Bundy boys and the like.
You can be anti-leftist, anti-agitator, anti-communist...and also against the government lying about an American they just killed.
A ton of conservatives are being absolutely fucking retarded.
The Admin response, particularly Kash's, has been embarrassing. All they had to do is come out and say, "he was killed in the commission of a federal felony assault on an officer while impeding law enforcement operations. We will investigate the situation but initial reports show that the officers' response was reasonable given the situation that Pretti and the rioters in general have created."
100%
Pajeet Patel, Fag Bongino, and Pam Blondie are fucking killing us.
Yup.
Even if you don't agree with the statement, it's a much more defensible/reasonable, and much less retarded stance by a mile.
Like their faggot prophet Alinsky said: Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules.
90% chance the feds messed up here and killed this guy after NDing his Sig (I mean, after the Sig NDed itself). If that turns out to be true, the agents should be censured with appropriate penalties.
At the same time, the guy took an unnecessary risk and the worst ended up happening.
Mistakes happen. It should be cleaned up and we should move on. You have the right to the Second Amendment at a protest but if you insist on wrestling the feds at the same time then someone is eventually going to get hurt. Either you, a fed, or some bystander.
I mean, people don't deserve to die because they go underwater cave diving, but it happens sometimes.
Yup. A lot of people are being so tribal they act like if you condemn the government, you like Alex Pretti and think he did nothing wrong. He was a shitty communist who was a bit of a jackass. The killing was still likely unjustified (in my opinion), and the narrative after the fact is definitely disgusting.
Both can be true. I'm not on Pretti's "side" or anything. Alex Fucked Around, Found Out. The feds Fucked Up.
I agree with you but I will say I have extreme “protester fatigue”. Sick of these morons injecting themselves into these situations and getting treated like heroes but. As you say it was a major screw up by ICE. I would just love to ask them why they are so eager to protect the murderers, rapists, etc that they are there to arrest. Similar issues I had with the blm scum and the zombies who protested over Floyd. I was like if you want to protest black ppl getting killed then march your butt to these inner cities but no.
Oh, I get it. They're being absolutely vile jackasses, often state-sponsored. The Dem establishment is knee-deep in this, and the leftist rioters are often to the state of terrorism.
What they've done to innocent people, citizen journalists, and feds (including off duty) has been really disgusting. You won't find me defending them; they want war, they want more violence, and they'd actually love it if ICE/fedbois killed more protestors. They want martyrs.
I completely condemn the leftists. I also want the feds to be much better trained if they're being sent out into that, and I want the admin to have an actual conservative response as well, and not come off like Dems themselves.
Devon mentioned it a few streams back. How we gotta be dancing on the graves of our enemies, the protesters, because they would have danced on ours. We do that, we deny them the victimhood.
There's something very satisfying about the idea of joining ICE because it's the only socially acceptable way to backhand a suburban liberal boomer Karen right in her yappy fucking mouth.
I don't blame them, so many conservatives get dogged for fighting on principle while the other side wins with friend/enemy distinction.
I get it.
But you've still got a lot of "based conservatives" saying things that are completely believable of coming out of the mouths of the most insufferable of shitlibs.
The admin's strategy has been to invoke Schmitttian friend/enemy distinction by tapping into the frustrations of years of political neglect. The problem is, the admin is just another arm of ZOG that wants infinite browns in the country. They are just another enemy. They're trying to blur friend/enemy distinction and hope to mask their intent by leaning into a tribalism. Not having principles is the point.
Anyone comparing a paid agitator getting engoodified to Ruby fucking Ridge should also get engoodified.
Huh. I guess there's speech I'm against after all.