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Look at me I am da pirate now: US military hijacks oil tanker, pursues another into the North Atlantic (archive.is)
posted 149 days ago by theaustrianpainter 149 days ago by theaustrianpainter +57 / -0
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– AntonioOfVenice 18 points 149 days ago +18 / -0

It's not piracy when WE do it!

Just like the Iran war wasn't a war but "just bombing their nuclear facilities, bro".

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– BeefyBelisarius 17 points 149 days ago +17 / -0

It's not piracy, it's privateering! Or at least it could be if congress still had the balls to issue letters of marque.

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– CaptainTrouble 10 points 149 days ago +10 / -0

I'm all for supporting the USA doing terrorism or pirating. I just wish people understood these things... Oh well, the masses are stupid.

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– AntonioOfVenice 10 points 149 days ago +10 / -0

My impression is that it's the opinion of the masses that anything is fine as long as "our team" is doing them.

It's tribalism all the way down, and not a good kind of tribalism where you care about your fellow tribe-members - but where you back up the crimes of the vicious powers that be that hurt foreigners as well as your own people.

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– horstshort 16 points 149 days ago +16 / -0

I call it patriotism for retards. Doesn't help you or your nation in any way but at least you can feel good about it while everything around you turns to shit.

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– CaptainTrouble 4 points 149 days ago +4 / -0

I'm tribal but I actually don't think the masses understand, that's the issue I have with them. They are truly confused and don't realize that when their team does it, it's still terrorism and not anymore legitimate. They buy into the "it's different and not the same" routine.

Maybe there's high IQ tribalism and low IQ tribalism I guess.

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– BeefyBelisarius 3 points 149 days ago +3 / -0

Understanding isn't something the masses generally do. There's a reason the NPC meme was censored so fast.

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– AntonioOfVenice 3 points 149 days ago +3 / -0

Or they'll say "even if it's the same, might makes right, and we're temporarily powerful - so let's go bomb everyone and take their stuff". Not even exaggerating. See this deformed creature.

Might be a product of de-Christianization. The Golden Rule is not part of human nature, it's part of culture - or was.

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– Mellop 3 points 148 days ago +3 / -0

It's tribalism all the way down,

Oh, it's "Tribalism" for sure, Netanyahu and Singer are already gloating over getting their pound of flesh out of Venezuela.

My impression is that it's the opinion of the masses that anything is fine as long as "our team" is doing them.

Which, incidentally, lines up perfectly with the "virtues" of the Talmud.

I can't even begin to understand why someone like Trump, who already had every measure of success he could ask for, would pursue a political career, just to sell out to these creatures.

For what shall it benefit a man, if he wins the world, but loses his soul?

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– AntonioOfVenice 1 point 148 days ago +1 / -0

For what shall it benefit a man, if he wins the world, but loses his soul?

He gets more billions. Not my cup of tea, but probably good enough for DJT.

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– Kienan 5 points 148 days ago +5 / -0

Or the classic, "police action."

Except when Russia does it. They don't get to do it, that's our thing.

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– MattTheBlack 4 points 149 days ago +4 / -0

I'd be fine with it if it wrre just hood old fashioned imperialism but this all seems to be for the benefit of a billionaire donor

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– 5Cats 2 points 149 days ago +2 / -0

An act of war (like bombing military instillations) and a declaration of war are entirely different things.

Intercepting pirates at sea is not "piracy" it's trying to stop the pirates. Just like blowing up drug runners isn't "attacking fishing boats". 🙄

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– AntonioOfVenice 6 points 149 days ago +6 / -0

An act of war (like bombing military instillations) and a declaration of war are entirely different things.

Yes? It's still war, or Iraq wasn't a war.

Intercepting pirates at sea is not "piracy" it's trying to stop the pirates.

Today I learned that people transporting their own oil are "pirates".

Just like blowing up drug runners isn't "attacking fishing boats". 🙄

Blowing up fishing boats is, though. I have little faith in the people who've been manufacturing consent for one war after another.

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– 5Cats 2 points 149 days ago +2 / -0

Um, I repeat: an act "of war" is not the same as "a war". Should be obvious.

Sanctions allow interdiction of banned goods. Using "ghost ships" to bypass those sanctions doesn't make it legal. It makes them pirates: those committing illegal acts at sea without flying a national flag.

Every image of blown up boats has bails of drugs everywhere. There's no question these boats exist, and no evidence that actual fishing boats have been attacked.

I'm not condoning ALL acts of war, sanctions or blowing up drug runners. Every event needs to be judged on its own merit.

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– Bottle_of_Memes 4 points 149 days ago +4 / -0

Declaring something a "sanction" don't magically extend its jurisdiction to international waters.

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– ernsithe 3 points 149 days ago +3 / -0

It makes them pirates: those committing illegal acts at sea without flying a national flag.

No. A trade embargo with Venezuela is a sanction. Freezing Venezuelan assets inside your own country is a sanction. A blockade that prevents a country from trading with third parties is an act of war.

The US has no legal jurisdiction to physically inhibit trade between Venezuela and other nations. If they were sneaking it into the US, that would be a different story.

I'm not even saying it's bad but they aren't pirates for shipping oil.

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– AntonioOfVenice 3 points 149 days ago +3 / -0

Um, I repeat: an act "of war" is not the same as "a war". Should be obvious.

You said that it's not the same as a declaration of war, implying that it's not a war without a declaration.

Sanctions allow interdiction of banned goods. Using "ghost ships" to bypass those sanctions doesn't make it legal. It makes them pirates: those committing illegal acts at sea without flying a national flag.

That's it, the single dumbest thing I've read all year.

I'm not condoning ALL acts of war

Right, you're not happy with Putin's war against your country.

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– Grumman 2 points 148 days ago +2 / -0

It makes them pirates: those committing illegal acts at sea without flying a national flag.

They're blockade runners, not pirates. There is no act of robbery involved in the transport of Venezuelan oil bought in violation of sanctions.

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