The tech overlords are basically extracting even more money out of society than before. And we all know that they're not the 'beneficent and wise' leaders that they seek to portray themselves as. They're underhanded, greedy, venal, petty, spiteful, vindictive and fundamentally misanthropic: Google, Amazon, Facebook, etc.
Well if technology destroyed blue collar jobs and now the white collars are also against it for whatever reason then it seems every group has reason to be against it
People on this site have such a weird attitude about muh AI. It's like people trip over themselves to say how much of a nothing burger it is while also then turning around and complaining how disastrous its effects will be. I know, I know, people will claim these are just different people saying these things, but sometimes I'm not so sure.
The fact of the matter is, despite it being retarded still in many ways, you have to remember a huge chunk of normies are retards and their jobs could easily be replaced by it down the line. That being said, anyone who wants to stop all development is living in fantasy land. If we don't develop it, other countries will.
Best we can do is try to develop it in a way that doesn't create some technocratic dystopia, although I definitely won't hold my breath there.
It's a tool as much as anything else. Any arguments against AI could be made against the internet itself, and there certainly would be merits to them. Will it make people vacuous and lazy? Will it be used as a means of subversion and control? Are there vulnerabilities that can be exploited or flaws in it's logic that will result in unforeseen consequences when it's used to run important systems?
People on this site have such a weird attitude about muh AI. It's like people trip over themselves to say how much of a nothing burger it is while also then turning around and complaining how disastrous its effects will be.
It's not necessarily contradictory. For example, I believe that AI is mostly a nothing-burger, but also that it will lead to things becoming worse. Customer service being moved to AI and making our experience worse. AI being used in war as Israel does. It's not "AI WILL TAKE OVER AND KILL US ALL". But it can have disastrous effects. My fears are about how the ruling classes will use it to entrench their power.
AI is a nothingburger and people acting like it isn't will have disastrous consequences. I don't want an autocomplete in a decision-making role. I also don't like the generative output. It's ugly, both in text and visuals, and it's already become self-referential. The people who want us to wait ten years and see how much it's improved are insane. What makes them think anything on the face of this fallen earth improves these days?
That being said, anyone who wants to stop all development is living in fantasy land. If we don't develop it, other countries will.
This. I would love world peace and an infinite bank account too, but it is not going to happen. Why even listen to people whining 'this thing must be stopped!' What are they proposing? Let me guess- they want daddy gov to regulate the industry ensuring only a few big corporations manage the tech. Not hard to guess who promotes these stories.
AI needs to be stopped, but not by government. It needs to be a grassroots opposition to it worldwide. The arms race argument is dumb because AI that's even sort of close to human intelligence will either be widely available (and thus any madman can kill us all) or be in the hands of a few (who will enslave us all). So it's a race to extinction/enslavement, not for dominance or defense. https://scored.co/c/StopTech/p/1ARJcvK5JL/why-technology-must-be-stopped/
You think the CCP is always going to be in power? Even if they were, even CCP members could understand that their AI is likely going to control them more than they control it and they can also be negotiated with. But I think a better approach is to give the Chinese people better technologies to get around the government digital censorship and target them with messages of freedom so that they will be able to rebel against the CCP (and AI). But currently the western internet doesn't seem that interested in reaching the Chinese.
I just gave you a very actionable plan. People need to develop social networks aimed at Chinese people that are also able to be accessed through the Chinese firewall in a way that the CCP can't detect. Then the Chinese will be able to freely criticize their government and organize protests like we saw a few years ago but much bigger. The US government could do this easily but doesn't have any interest for whatever reason. Independent developers could do it too but most of them don't speak Chinese or think about ending the CCP if they even think about China at all.
That being said, anyone who wants to stop all development is living in fantasy land. If we don't develop it, other countries will.
AI is easy to stop on a technical level.
Data Centers for training have to be huge, and have to pull huge amounts of power, and generate huge amounts of waste heat. They can be spread out for usage, but can't be distributed for training, since you run into speed of communication limitations. It requires huge amounts of specific computer components that sit at the peak of what humanity can develop, and it takes decades to build the facilities to start building the chips you need. There's only a handful of countries in contention to make AI, and bombing people into the stone age actually stops it.
AI far easier to stop than Nuclear Weapons. The US announcing (and following through) that it'll go to war and be willing to drop cruise missiles or nukes on anyone trying to develop AI would easily hold back AI development indefinitely. We just don't have the political will to do it, because nobody in power seriously thinks that the Singularity is going to kill everyone.
Unfortunately I don't think it's going to stay this way for very long. AI training will get more efficient, needing less data and hardware resources. Plus hardware will steadily get better. But we should be trying to nip AI in the bud while it is still relatively young, including at least trying to stop the necessary hardware being acquired.
We would likely deal with it the same way we did with nuclear proliferation.
For countries that don't have nukes and try to get them, we use economic pressure, then sabotage (Stuxnet), then assassinations, then actual bombs. And we have done all of those steps several times.
We almost bombed China to stop them from getting nukes, and arguably the only reason they have nukes today is because they had Jewish support and espionage feeding them support while stopping our response.
I don't think bots are worried about their jobs, but in any case I don't think opaque oracles that only big companies can afford to make are going to break control over the narrative. And the narrative is a very small worry once the singularity is reached, which is what the survey was about.
After Hillary's guaranteed win, covid-19 vaccines, Biden's guaranteed win, Kamala's guaranteed win and everything else they are just a silly tool which never shows the actual truth.
All I'm reading is that AI scares people who thought they had secure positions and they don't like that because they know they are bested in every way, shape and form by this reliable threat.
The best that many of them can hope for now is hallucination fact-checkers - which they know will be fact checked again and so lying has just gotten harder for them.
No. There are studies showing it makes people stupid. Like with brain scans and all. Basically the tool isn't being used correctly, and it's doing the same damage too much screen time does to kids. Add those too much screen time kids are using the tool incorrectly and they have brains lit up completely different than a person who uses ai to double check information they already know.
The tech overlords are basically extracting even more money out of society than before. And we all know that they're not the 'beneficent and wise' leaders that they seek to portray themselves as. They're underhanded, greedy, venal, petty, spiteful, vindictive and fundamentally misanthropic: Google, Amazon, Facebook, etc.
Well if technology destroyed blue collar jobs and now the white collars are also against it for whatever reason then it seems every group has reason to be against it
People on this site have such a weird attitude about muh AI. It's like people trip over themselves to say how much of a nothing burger it is while also then turning around and complaining how disastrous its effects will be. I know, I know, people will claim these are just different people saying these things, but sometimes I'm not so sure.
The fact of the matter is, despite it being retarded still in many ways, you have to remember a huge chunk of normies are retards and their jobs could easily be replaced by it down the line. That being said, anyone who wants to stop all development is living in fantasy land. If we don't develop it, other countries will.
Best we can do is try to develop it in a way that doesn't create some technocratic dystopia, although I definitely won't hold my breath there.
It's a tool as much as anything else. Any arguments against AI could be made against the internet itself, and there certainly would be merits to them. Will it make people vacuous and lazy? Will it be used as a means of subversion and control? Are there vulnerabilities that can be exploited or flaws in it's logic that will result in unforeseen consequences when it's used to run important systems?
It's not necessarily contradictory. For example, I believe that AI is mostly a nothing-burger, but also that it will lead to things becoming worse. Customer service being moved to AI and making our experience worse. AI being used in war as Israel does. It's not "AI WILL TAKE OVER AND KILL US ALL". But it can have disastrous effects. My fears are about how the ruling classes will use it to entrench their power.
AI is a nothingburger and people acting like it isn't will have disastrous consequences. I don't want an autocomplete in a decision-making role. I also don't like the generative output. It's ugly, both in text and visuals, and it's already become self-referential. The people who want us to wait ten years and see how much it's improved are insane. What makes them think anything on the face of this fallen earth improves these days?
This. I would love world peace and an infinite bank account too, but it is not going to happen. Why even listen to people whining 'this thing must be stopped!' What are they proposing? Let me guess- they want daddy gov to regulate the industry ensuring only a few big corporations manage the tech. Not hard to guess who promotes these stories.
AI needs to be stopped, but not by government. It needs to be a grassroots opposition to it worldwide. The arms race argument is dumb because AI that's even sort of close to human intelligence will either be widely available (and thus any madman can kill us all) or be in the hands of a few (who will enslave us all). So it's a race to extinction/enslavement, not for dominance or defense. https://scored.co/c/StopTech/p/1ARJcvK5JL/why-technology-must-be-stopped/
Sexy ninjas like taki can infiltrate china and take out their tech guys.
You think the CCP is always going to be in power? Even if they were, even CCP members could understand that their AI is likely going to control them more than they control it and they can also be negotiated with. But I think a better approach is to give the Chinese people better technologies to get around the government digital censorship and target them with messages of freedom so that they will be able to rebel against the CCP (and AI). But currently the western internet doesn't seem that interested in reaching the Chinese.
I just gave you a very actionable plan. People need to develop social networks aimed at Chinese people that are also able to be accessed through the Chinese firewall in a way that the CCP can't detect. Then the Chinese will be able to freely criticize their government and organize protests like we saw a few years ago but much bigger. The US government could do this easily but doesn't have any interest for whatever reason. Independent developers could do it too but most of them don't speak Chinese or think about ending the CCP if they even think about China at all.
AI is easy to stop on a technical level.
Data Centers for training have to be huge, and have to pull huge amounts of power, and generate huge amounts of waste heat. They can be spread out for usage, but can't be distributed for training, since you run into speed of communication limitations. It requires huge amounts of specific computer components that sit at the peak of what humanity can develop, and it takes decades to build the facilities to start building the chips you need. There's only a handful of countries in contention to make AI, and bombing people into the stone age actually stops it.
AI far easier to stop than Nuclear Weapons. The US announcing (and following through) that it'll go to war and be willing to drop cruise missiles or nukes on anyone trying to develop AI would easily hold back AI development indefinitely. We just don't have the political will to do it, because nobody in power seriously thinks that the Singularity is going to kill everyone.
Unfortunately I don't think it's going to stay this way for very long. AI training will get more efficient, needing less data and hardware resources. Plus hardware will steadily get better. But we should be trying to nip AI in the bud while it is still relatively young, including at least trying to stop the necessary hardware being acquired.
We would likely deal with it the same way we did with nuclear proliferation.
For countries that don't have nukes and try to get them, we use economic pressure, then sabotage (Stuxnet), then assassinations, then actual bombs. And we have done all of those steps several times.
We almost bombed China to stop them from getting nukes, and arguably the only reason they have nukes today is because they had Jewish support and espionage feeding them support while stopping our response.
Actual readers or bots/shills who realise AI summaries will put them out of a job and break the control over the narrative?
I don't think bots are worried about their jobs, but in any case I don't think opaque oracles that only big companies can afford to make are going to break control over the narrative. And the narrative is a very small worry once the singularity is reached, which is what the survey was about.
I think we can dismiss all 'poll' results now.
After Hillary's guaranteed win, covid-19 vaccines, Biden's guaranteed win, Kamala's guaranteed win and everything else they are just a silly tool which never shows the actual truth.
All I'm reading is that AI scares people who thought they had secure positions and they don't like that because they know they are bested in every way, shape and form by this reliable threat.
The best that many of them can hope for now is hallucination fact-checkers - which they know will be fact checked again and so lying has just gotten harder for them.
Am I the only one who thinks that AI will be more of a nuisance than any sort of threat?
No. There are studies showing it makes people stupid. Like with brain scans and all. Basically the tool isn't being used correctly, and it's doing the same damage too much screen time does to kids. Add those too much screen time kids are using the tool incorrectly and they have brains lit up completely different than a person who uses ai to double check information they already know.