Dave Smith talks with Nick Fuentes
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Full discloser, I haven't heard the whole thing yet; plan to listen to it at work tomorrow, but I thought this might be of interest.
However you feel about Fuentes, this is going to be interesting, since it should actually be a conversation. Probably no obnoxious gotchas or too much trolling.
Also, one undeniably good thing about Nick is just how controversial his very existence it. It's got its cons, too, but the fact he's so deplatformed and controversial makes him an excellent test of character. People who are willing to sit down with Nick and talk probably earn some points, no matter how you feel about him.
I feel there's something artificial about him. He seems like a plant. What you should aim to do is discount your own feelings when attempting to understand reality. In which case this sentiment would be unnecessary.
I care about ideas and truth. I have no interest in keeping score.
He's interesting enough you don't need to justify your decision to create this post. It's absolutely worth posting here. Fuck peoples feelings.
I don't think I did that, in fact I intentionally didn't include my own feelings (not a fan, and I agree there's something off about him), because I hate couching things. I included the "no matter how you feel" because I do know a bunch of people hate him, so I was hoping to bypass some of this because I think this is an interesting conversation.
But point taken. I really wasn't trying to justify though, I'm just hoping people check it out, literally however they feel about him. This is a good chance to see him in a fairly neutral environment.
Yup, almost as soon as I posted this, it was +1/-1.
I don't even like Fuentes, and that shit pisses me off. It would be one thing if there were people spamming him nonstop, but when's the last time he was even posted here?
I wonder why actual right wingers have something to say about a faggot who's also a fed
He had tranny porn open on stream and tried to claim mossad did it. He didnt get arrested for his Jan 6 shenanigans.
I saw the whole thing.
If you want to see what an adult conversation looks like, watch it. Dave Smith can certainly run on, at times, but all in all I think it is a very good interview.
Many comments to the video noping out because it is Nick, because of course, but really, it is a very good discussion, certainly better than that hatchet job Candance tried to do with him.
Man, that was really scummy. A really bad look for her, not even primarily because it was a hatchet job, but because she was so dishonest about the whole thing.
For those that didn't follow/don't remember the Fuentes/Candace Owens/Tucker Carlson brouhaha from a few months back, Dave Smith was one of the points of contention despite not being directly involved whatsoever.
Candace initially brought Dave Smith forward as an example of a good/ based Jew in her unhinged OG interview with Fuentes. Nick responded by saying that he liked Dave/had lots of common ground with him but disliked that those mildly critical of Zionism & Israel hold Smith up as their token based Jew who is allowed to say what the goyim can't because he's critiquing as one of the tribe. And that Smith remains a limited hangout in a way.
Owens and Carlson later circled the wagons, putting Smith on a pedestal that he was "the nicest guy ever", pretending that Fuentes had attacked Smith personally & unfairly rather than simply stating facts.
I haven't watched this latest interview either, but the collaboration is notable given this recent history.
That wasn't even my issue. And both Candace and Tucker are friends with Dave, so it makes sense, and I don't think that part was dishonest. Dave is a based Jew.
My issue was just how she went about it. It's been a while, but I think it went something like this: She invited Nick on for what was supposed to be a friendly conversation. She announced that it would be behind a paywall, but I'm not sure if that was communicated to Nick or not, but that's a side issue anyway. They sit down for the 'friendly conversation' and Candace decides to unload on Nick. Voice her conscience and shit. Pin him down on some important issues, a bunch of arrogant nonsense. It feels to me she was basically farming him for good girl points, "see, I'm not like that nasty Fuentes, he's the real bad guy" or something.
But where it gets really nasty is her playing the victim afterward. After she ambushes Nick, Nick speaks out saying he didn't like the interview, and Candace goes full "incel, sexist, liar, can't handle criticism, hateful" against Nick. Says it's because she's a woman. Says the conversation was fiery but mostly peaceful, and Nick just couldn't handle it. Pick a lane, woman; either ask the tough questions and own it, or sit down for a conversation like was implied. But don't do one, act like you did the other, and whine and lie about the consequences and critiques.
My interpretation is, she sat down with Nick under false pretenses, and the intent was always to blow it up, to create distance between her and the toxic Fuentes name. So she attacked him during the interview, and then again after.
And, again, this is coming from someone who likes Canace more than Nick. What she did just seemed really scummy.
Candace is an untrustworthy hack
That's a pretty decent summary of the entirety of the Fuentes/Candace Owens interview drama.
I was more referring to specifically that Owens & Carlson tried to involve Dave Smith in absentia in their attempts to smear Nick at the time, implying that there was more bad blood between Fuentes & Smith then actually existed.
I've now listened to the majority of the Smith/Fuentes interview here. It was very cordial. About halfway through, Smith does mention that he did take it personally that Fuentes implied that Dave got platformed on Rogan/Carlson, etc simply because he was a safe moderate Jew criticizing the Israeli state but not the Jewish people or their diaspora.
Smith seemed to be trying to thread the eye of the needle with his complaint to Nick implying he had more leeway to criticize Jews as Jew. Smith did admit that their is certainly more freedom to criticize without backlash as a member of the ingroup.
But he also seemed to take it personally with Fuentes' insinuation that being Jewish opened doors to him to mainstream exposure. Nick later responded by watering it down saying that Smith was platformed more while he was canceled everywhere not because he's Jewish, but because his moderate Zionist criticism is more palatable in the mainstream (doesn't criticize Jewish individuals, blames "neocons" as being the real puppetmasters. Smith countered that Fuentes isn't necessarily uninvited because of his harsher criticism of Jews & Israel. But because he has nuclear takes such as "Hitler has aura" that scare normies away.
Great conversation, I haven't watched a shit ton of Nick but that was easily the best I've seen him in. Was interesting to see him pressed in a respectful way and in good faith. If he comes off like this and tones it down with the trolling he's going to continue to grow
Oh man, Rogan absolutley ruined podcasts with his 3 hr + interviews. Aint no one got time for all that
My shift is over 4 hours long in a warehouse. I absolutely have time for that.
Yup. I can listen to a four hour podcast and ask 'what's next?'
Fuentes is a grifter out only for himself. He sold out everyone he led into jan 6th and kept quiet as some of his followers were sexually abused by a pedo he was allied with.
Ali Akbar, also known as Ali Alexander.
Finally got around to listening to this.
Yet again, I fail to see the controversy surrounding Fuentes, other than the standard "he has some edgy takes."