I got part way into Tucker's episode today and the guy mentioned Kabbalah. I had been curious about it, think I saw Charls Carrol mention it but never watched him long.
I figured it was some Jewish heresy like Christian gnosticism but GPT says its accepted in mainstream Orthodox Judaism but is only taught to like 10% of people? Is that right? It just sounds like the typical hidden knowledge type shit, but its very weird to hear that its accepted in mainline rabbinic Judaism. Anyone know about this?
There's surface level and deeper level, kinda (exactly) like freemasonry degrees, even '33' degree masons think they know stuff but they don't, it's a secret club and you ain't gett'n in it, probably.
It'sIt comes down to 'magic' and communing with devils. Very few people actually 'talk' to high ranking devils but the effects are implemented on all of nature, humans included, and hardly anyone has any idea who is pulling the strings.It goes into rituals and 'karma', having to disclose the evil enough that they are 'unaccountable'. It also goes into applauding and promoting sin. (Which is why it's so important that the other side "has eyes to see and ears to hear")
Mainstream kabbalah is seen to be a 'gnostic' type search for the 'divine' and 'spiritual connection' but finding devils because their pride won't allow them to see the one true God and His sacrifice.
How much of what you're describing is in mainline rabbinic/Orthodox Judaism? I didn't really find it interesting because I thought it was separate from the mainline, but GPT makes it sound like it's part of the mainline theology, it's just secret and advanced essentially. That makes all of this very weird to me. I already thought Judaism's theology is very weird in terms of what they came up with after the Temple was destroyed, this just makes it weirder.
I think Judaism as it's been practiced modernly has been hijacked for thousands of years. I think devils have targeted and twisted what God intended for relationship with Himself (knowledge of the divine).
The God of Israel used to be known as the one true God, history continues to talk of this and yet most still disregard the most High for these wimpy counterfeits. It's really unfortunate.
As far as what's being talked about in mainstream, it's what I've been calling 'weaponized conspiracy', where people are being manipulated to fit in boxes against other boxes and they're all just locked up in the dark and it gets bloody.
I've been getting into Jewish theology a bit lately partly for apologetics about Messianic prophecy, partly to finally understand the Talmud after hearing so much etc. Im no expert at any of this by any stretch, but there is no doubt it has been hijacked by the rabbis since the Temple was destroyed. The entire religion completely changed and they had to respond to Christianity theologically (Messiah, fulfilled prophecy, no Temple for another Messiah etc).
It's pretty fascinating getting into that stuff, but all this esoteric/gnostic/occult whatever you want to call it stuff wasn't really on my radar. It blew my mind to read that it's accepted in Rabbinic Judaism and is just kept quiet, just not what I expected
I'm also investigating these things. As far as bible history goes, I think there's been an attempt to tarnish the seed of Abraham, meaning Islam and Judaism and it has been redeemed through Jesus Christ (Christianity), whom they reject.
Worst sibling rivalary of all time that calls directly back to Cain and Abel (edit: and Seth).
Rabbis were the ones promoting it, it's why Christ called them children of satan.
Close, the modern religion was founded by those who went down the wrong path. After Christ's ministry split Judea and His followers became the early Christians, those who had Rejected the Messiah eventually began following a false messiah named Simon Bar Khoba, who led them into a disastrous revolt against Rome. The surviving pharasee leadership eventually regrouped in Babylon, in the neighboring Parthian Empire, where they wrote the Talmud and Zohar, founding a whole new religion. So, it was twisted from the start and only got worse when guys like Maimonides and Sabbatai Zevi got involved.
I agree to a point, I think it's started with Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and his sons, the tribes of Israel, plus the two sons of Joseph, Manasseh and Ephraim.
It's a common mistake to conflate the old covenant religion with modern judaism, but they aren't the same thing. Nobody practices the Old Testament religion anymore.
I think if I can remind them of their forefathers they will see Jesus.
I know it got big with celebrities like 20 years or so ago. From my understanding, which is really limited, it's fringe Jewish lore. I think it involves a lot of magic and stuff. I think Lilith, Adam's supposed first wife, is kinda big in it. I think she's where the split with Orthodox Judiasm occurs, but please don't quote me, I'm probably wrong about that.
I don't think it is accepted by more Conservative sects of Judiasm. But because it got big with celebrities and rich people, the more liberal sects defend it.
I knew Madonna and others did it in the early 2000's and figured it was just gnostic Judaism, so separate from mainline. I need to look it up a bit more, have only asked GPT so far.
It said that Chabadh/Hasidic is based on it and in Orthodox Judaism it is widely accepted but is only taught to advanced people and over the age of 40 only. It made it sound like pretty much all modern practicing Jews accept it, even if most aren't introduced to it formally or familiar with it, their Rabbis are. The secretive nature of it plus it being part of mainline Judaism is what I'm interested in and what inspired the thread. I'm curious how it's reflected in the Talmud and other practices in mainline Judaism and how it's seen by Rabbis, what it tells them to do etc. If it is just a fringe thing that celebrities took on for fun I'm less interested.
The Tucker guy linked it to Crowley and other occult thinkers, though I think they were more inspired by it and other esoteric stuff which end up creating new age beliefs, rather than actually practicing the Jewish religious practices
The occult stuff is directly linked to Talmudism, though.
Case in point, here's a story straight out of the Babylonian Talmud, of King Solomon summoning demons: https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Translation:The_Story_of_King_Solomon_and_Ashmedai
I think you are right that a lot of the famous people attatched to it are interested in the magic occult stuff and not interested in the Jewish faith. From what I skimmed it seems to suggest it's about manifestations of God. That there is a deep God that is unreachable and there are his manifestations that interact with humanity.
I don't think Hasidic jews make up a large percentage of practicing jews. From what I was reading, the deep well of Google right, they encourage older, married rabbis to study it because it apparently can drive you mad. So being older and having passed on your genes, you going crazy is less tragic.
I think Gnosticism makes sense, we’re definitely prisoners of the demiurge.
I mean, isn't that basically the long hand explanation for Satan?
Satan is called the god of this world (2 Cor 4:4)
Don't know a ton about it, it never really interested me before looking into this. I have a pretty basic view of Theology, I haven't really engaged with Revelations yet which has the highest levels of that type of theology in the NT I think. I'm not really into the hidden knowledge type stuff, but I'm sure I'll learn more at some point
The "prison" is made up, much like all sky grandpas. Pain is nothing more than a signal transported through your nervous system. Suffering is your intepretation of it. Your intepretations are shaped by whatever mommy and daddy shoved into your head during your formative years.
I know God is real because he just told me you’re a faggot.
He's an even bigger one if he has no balls to face me head on.
You suffer when your interpretations are out of line with reality. Like how you're suffering because your interpretation of spiritual life is built upon the logic of a Disney cartoon.
Do I? I'm not the one who has to invent gods to cope with reality.
Look into near death experiences. Not a cursory look at some debunk article, but do a deep dive. I’ve never heard of anyone that’s done that and not come out with a more open view of what lies after death.
In the very least, nde’s and other scientific studies on basic psy abilities like how people are able to affect random number generators and similar will convince most people that a reductive materialist view of the world is not quite right. Personally I had a very reductive materialist view of the world until I looked into such things.
The only catch being that you have to go into it with an open mind.
Studying science is actually a known pathway to finding God. When people actually look at the world with open eyes and an open mind, they naturally find it for themselves.
I agree. Unfortunately so many people don’t have their eyes or mind open. And that goes for some classically religious people as well as some people that I think of as being a part of the religion of science.
I do my best not to judge anyone. Everyone is on their own path
Can you be more specific? Google is likely to feed me trash.
Yes I’ll be glad to. Sorry in advance for the length of this, lol (but I can also provide more if need be)
What introduced me to the topic was this podcast with Dr Jeffrey long. You can watch this or listen on any podcast app. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=na-9wu04l-o It’s about an hour. The host is a bit of a doofus but any interview with Jeffrey long should suffice. He’s done many.
His website nderf.org has many resources including research papers here https://www.nderf.org/NDERF/Research/Research_Overview_Right.htm
Other researchers are Bruce Greyson and Eben Alexander, the latter was a neurosurgeon and had an nde while suffering from severe meningitis of the brain (10mins, I tried to find a short video, he’s done many long form) https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XUfT0HvIykA
Researchers that describe nde’s that can be proven as “veridical nde’s” . And by proven I mean they have some sort of corroborating info that’s provided. For example someone will be lying there dead (in the very least, almost dead, and unconscious) and perceive something that is going on around them. Where a specific item was put, an unusual conversation or action, people’s names that provided care, etc. for these at least you can find video of the people involved to corroborate the story.
Pam Reynolds’s is a famous example. here is a (6min) video about it. https://www.reddit.com/r/HighStrangeness/comments/1k8q0mu/the_neardeath_experience_of_pam_reynolds/
But there are a ton of these with varying amounts of corroboration.
I don’t want to make this a complete wall of text but I think it can be helpful to hear some people’s stories in their own words. I like https://m.youtube.com/@TheOtherSideNDEYT/video
I bounced back and forth between believing and not believing as I read stuff from the pro and con side for a while and eventually decided that the pro won in my mind. Does that mean with 100% certainty that there’s an afterlife? No but in the very least our understanding of consciousness is not completely accurate.
Hope this helps
You went out of your way to gather your sources instead of disapraging me. I appreciate it. I owe those links a check.
It would be pretty hypocritical for me to disparage someone who probably holds similar beliefs to ones I used to hold. If 3 years ago you told me I would believe in god and simulation theory I would have laughed in your face. Surprisingly those two go together quite well.
If I may add a couple thoughts. Depending on the study, 10-15% of people who “die” and are revived or simply almost die by some trauma or disease, have nde’s of some sort which ends up being a shit ton of people who’ve had these experiences.
I’ve read or listened to 200-300 experiences by now. The experiences are different but some aspects recur frequently.
The most common aspects reported by a large portion of them are that the experiences are not only real but are more real than our earthly life. They see/feel/hear things that aren’t possible to describe.
People who meet a being or presence overwhelmingly say that the purpose of life is “love”. It’s a bit cryptic but best I can tell that means to just not be a dick basically and help others when you can.
Surprisingly a lot of atheists/agnostics meet who they perceive to be Jesus. I have thoughts on why that is but I’ve not read a single account where those people claim Jesus even mentioned the Bible or sin or anything like that. He usually mentions love and sometimes a specific purpose or mission a person has in life.
I appreciate your open mindedness. People are busy and don’t have time to do deep dives on everything. If you don’t look at all those resources it’s completely fine. Everyone is on their own path, keep your mind and your heart open especially when challenges or hardships come your way. Do a nice deed for someone, doesn’t matter how insignificant it might seem, a small act of kindness can have huge ripple effects.
My door for conversation is always open
It’s Jewish witchcraft and a path toward becoming “god”
It's essentially the purpose behind the social structure humans have created: To gather everything which society produces and propel it upwards towards heaven.
Let us pray 🙏 for the conversion of the perfidious jews. In Jesus' name. Amen 🙌!
You can ask Ian Carroll. He's worn a red bracelet on camera a couple times by accident, or accidentally on purpose. Who nose?
I'm no expert, but based on my research, Kabbalah is a form of western esotericism that arose in Jewish circles in the middle ages. It makes mystical interpretations of the Hebrew Bible and invents additional stories and elements, as the Talmud already did, but Kabbalah takes it further into the realm of magic and heavily focuses on secret knowledge (similar to occultism and gnosticism) and mysticism.
I think since Judaism believes in an oral Torah and oral tradition beyond what is written down, Kabbalah was able to convince many Jews that it was part of that ancient tradition going back at least as far as king Solomon, who is often seen by Kabbalists as something of a sorcerer and discoverer of many aspects of Kabbalism. Renaissance magic was based on Kabbalism, and from what I can tell most forms of western esotericism since then appear to be heavily based on it, such as Theosophy and Freemasonry.
By the way, Tucker is well known for wearing the red Kabbalah bracelet. He's even mentioned as a notable example by Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_string_(Kabbalah)#Modern_trend
Jew witches
This series is a great starting point to deep dive into things like the kabbalah, it's origins and offshoots. That entire series is excellent. Guy was an atheist professor that found the truth and yielded to it.
https://adtv.watch/total-onslaught/are-secret-societies-real
Apparently there's a website?
Already sounds retarded.
Yup. It's a retarded pseudo-religious hippy-dippy fuck-wittery scam designed to steal money from people.
The profane rituals of Moloch worshippers and their cultists who held influence from ancient China to the depths of the Middle East and Africa are simply an echo of an echo of an echo.
Long ago, before what we know as 'recorded history' began, someone figured out what adenochrome is. Kabbalah is what remains - an echo of the rituals used to draw out that essence. Now, it's only remnant is the mutilation of children. The taking of the foreskin, the cutting of the clitoris, the techniques used to rip puberty away from minors. Yet the gruesome practices and sacrifices continued in the hope of eternal youth.
It's no different from a cargo cult in africa creating 'temples' of runways in the hopes the flying machines will return with free food. The difference is - one of these cargo cults figured out how to draw youth to themselves through the mass slaughter of innocents.
Now, they hold power over the world. The Kaballah cultists who ruled the world in its antiquity now holds power yet again. In one hand, they hold the promise of eternal youth. In the other hand, they hold the leash of blackmail - "do as we say, or else people will know that you were mutilating, fucking and eating children."