Apparently they have the assassin in custody now
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Somehow I doubt this is the guy who killed him.
Live patsies are a liability. They'd have given him the Oswald treatment and announced he was killed resisting arrest if this was just a distraction to let the real killer get away.
It's probably the shooter himself, but that doesn't mean there weren't other (potentially deep state) people involved, far too many things about this are suspicious: like the guys doing hand signals just before the shot was fired, the lack of an ambulance or paramedics at an event this size (which by law there should have been), the fact that neither the police nor security bothered to check the roof tops (you ALWAYS check the roofs, it's literally the first place an assassin is going to go), the two people that got originally arrested but were later cleared (one of whom had a fucking pellet gun on him). My guess is that the actual gunman was unaware that there was greater involvement, he most likely had 1 accomplice (who may even be the one that convinced him to do it) who had the actual deep state connections, and of course the 1 accomplice will never be found or identified.
This is all speculation, mind you. But it makes sense for a deep state assassination to keep the actual shooter as uninvolved as possible with the grander conspiracy so that when's he caught he can appear (and maybe even believe himself) to have done it alone. And it makes sense from a PR perspective, if the shooter gets killed "resisting arrest" or "commits suicide" you'll have an Epstein situation where nobody will believe the official story, if the shooter never gets caught there's panic and anger is allowed to boil over, but if the shooter is caught, tried, and convicted and there is good reason to believe that it IS the real shooter people are more likely to feel as though justice has been done.
Think the deep state guy left on that plane that turned it's transponder off (illegally?)
Yeah, that was probably the accomplice who will never be identified or found
I want this to be a genuine turning point. That can start by holding a quick trial and executing this guy. Publicly. None of this 20 years later bullshit. Show that you mean business. If the evidence is clear and/or he pleads guilty, no reason he shouldn't be dead before the end of this month.
And if you know it is the guy beyond any doubt, I am not against torture. Squeeze out information on anyone who helped him and give them a similar fate. Send a message to these psychos that playtime is over.
Public hanging.
Stream it on social media.
I draw the line at torture though. That's just evil.
Just remember, morals are for people.
Yes. If one engages in torture it means they are an animal and can face the wall alongside the assassin.
Honest thought experiment:
One of the reasons that people advocate for softer punishments for child rapists is the possibility that they will choose not to kill their victims if the sentence for murder is harsher than the sentence for raping a child.
This idea only exists because our executions are, essentially, relatively painless binaries. You’re sentenced to death, you’re strapped to a chair, you’re injected with poison, you die quickly with very little suffering. A modern execution is basically flipping a switch.
But that wasn’t always the case. Used to be there were many degrees of pain and suffering involved in executions, depending on the method chosen. And that choice was often based on the severity of the crime. In this way, society could mete out fitting punishments for a variety of offenses within the “death sentence” category. Do something extra heinous? Receive more suffering before the mercy of death.
Were those times more barbaric? Less humane? Maybe. But to my mind, letting off a child rapist with prison time because you need to “leave yourself more runway to punish the ones who also murder the kid” doesn’t seem very humane to the children or their parents. Maybe our ancestors deliberately built those runways longer so that demons had more to fear than a quick and painless death.
I don't know. There's a spectrum to it all and a threshold after which it tips into evil.
Hanging might be more painful than injections, but it's not quite the same as disemboweling someone or some fantastical medieval torturer drawing someone's death out over several days. Wanton cruelty is immoral, and that's what I see being advocated for. It doesn't magically become a moral act simply because it is visited upon our enemies.
You draw the line, your enemies gleefully step over it and kill you.
I am fine with killing my enemies, but those who gleefully embrace torture are also my enemy because they are evil.
He said torture to get more information out of him, not for its own sake
Information gained through torture is completely unreliable, as they will say anything to get the pain to stop
Still evil. Also not terribly effective from what I hear.
This is a demon we're dealing with. If there is any doubt whatsoever that this is the culprit, then okay. But if we know for 100% certain, I wouldnt rule it out. Not saying some truly gruesome medieval stuff, but something to grease the gears a bit.
No. Torture is morally wrong.
It doesn't make me feel warm and fuzzy inside either, but refusing to play dirty is why we lose.
Edit: You would seriously have potential accomplices go free just so you can feel like you're taking the high road? In this situation?
Edit2: it is becoming more and more apparent this was likely perpetrated in cooperation with many individuals to prepare, coordinate, and act as diversions. You mean to tell me you would prefer to keep your hands clean over finding them and giving them what they deserve?
There's a difference between being effective and being evil. Torture crosses that line.
Next step, speedy trial with death penalty ending. And then find everyone who supported him and do the same to them.
No no no
PUBLIC EXECUTION, they assassinated Charlie publicly in front of his family and audience, their final moments can be televised too.
What you said and what I said aren't incompatible
Never said they were, just when people think death penalty, they think electric chair or needle.
I'm just affirming rope or axe.
Utah has death penalty by firing squad still
That was the first thing I thought of when the governor came out.
Comment Reported for: Rule 2 & Rule 1
Comment Approved: He's referring to capital punishment.
Thanks for recognising that, I'm betting you've been flooded with those reports due to deliberate misinterpretion because of the calls for capital punishment.
I don't disagree, and I think a firing squad would be fitting.
I was thinking with .30-06, given the circumstances.
Looks like he carved "loss", "owo", "ciao Bella", and "u r gay" onto bullet casings. Also one with a Helldiver's reference with some arrows? And dressed as a Pepe meme for Halloween. And they got him via Discord messages hahaha
...Fuck they're gonna blame videogames for this one aren't they.
I hate being so distrustful of our three-letter agencies that I could easily be swayed into believing the suspect is a patsy and the real killer is sitting pretty; possibly outside the country by now.
The fact that Trump announced it on air instead of his department heads makes me actually think Trump may be off about that. Sometimes when he goes off script it's great, but he can also be completely fucking wrong. Like when he thought Garcia had "M S 1 3", in literal latin numerals tattooed on his fingers.
There's always a possibility of a boomer moment.