One of the reasons that people advocate for softer punishments for child rapists is the possibility that they will choose not to kill their victims if the sentence for murder is harsher than the sentence for raping a child.
This idea only exists because our executions are, essentially, relatively painless binaries. You’re sentenced to death, you’re strapped to a chair, you’re injected with poison, you die quickly with very little suffering. A modern execution is basically flipping a switch.
But that wasn’t always the case. Used to be there were many degrees of pain and suffering involved in executions, depending on the method chosen. And that choice was often based on the severity of the crime. In this way, society could mete out fitting punishments for a variety of offenses within the “death sentence” category. Do something extra heinous? Receive more suffering before the mercy of death.
Were those times more barbaric? Less humane? Maybe. But to my mind, letting off a child rapist with prison time because you need to “leave yourself more runway to punish the ones who also murder the kid” doesn’t seem very humane to the children or their parents. Maybe our ancestors deliberately built those runways longer so that demons had more to fear than a quick and painless death.
I don't know. There's a spectrum to it all and a threshold after which it tips into evil.
Hanging might be more painful than injections, but it's not quite the same as disemboweling someone or some fantastical medieval torturer drawing someone's death out over several days. Wanton cruelty is immoral, and that's what I see being advocated for. It doesn't magically become a moral act simply because it is visited upon our enemies.
This is a demon we're dealing with. If there is any doubt whatsoever that this is the culprit, then okay. But if we know for 100% certain, I wouldnt rule it out. Not saying some truly gruesome medieval stuff, but something to grease the gears a bit.
It doesn't make me feel warm and fuzzy inside either, but refusing to play dirty is why we lose.
Edit: You would seriously have potential accomplices go free just so you can feel like you're taking the high road? In this situation?
Edit2: it is becoming more and more apparent this was likely perpetrated in cooperation with many individuals to prepare, coordinate, and act as diversions. You mean to tell me you would prefer to keep your hands clean over finding them and giving them what they deserve?
Public hanging.
Stream it on social media.
I draw the line at torture though. That's just evil.
Just remember, morals are for people.
Yes. If one engages in torture it means they are an animal and can face the wall alongside the assassin.
Honest thought experiment:
One of the reasons that people advocate for softer punishments for child rapists is the possibility that they will choose not to kill their victims if the sentence for murder is harsher than the sentence for raping a child.
This idea only exists because our executions are, essentially, relatively painless binaries. You’re sentenced to death, you’re strapped to a chair, you’re injected with poison, you die quickly with very little suffering. A modern execution is basically flipping a switch.
But that wasn’t always the case. Used to be there were many degrees of pain and suffering involved in executions, depending on the method chosen. And that choice was often based on the severity of the crime. In this way, society could mete out fitting punishments for a variety of offenses within the “death sentence” category. Do something extra heinous? Receive more suffering before the mercy of death.
Were those times more barbaric? Less humane? Maybe. But to my mind, letting off a child rapist with prison time because you need to “leave yourself more runway to punish the ones who also murder the kid” doesn’t seem very humane to the children or their parents. Maybe our ancestors deliberately built those runways longer so that demons had more to fear than a quick and painless death.
I don't know. There's a spectrum to it all and a threshold after which it tips into evil.
Hanging might be more painful than injections, but it's not quite the same as disemboweling someone or some fantastical medieval torturer drawing someone's death out over several days. Wanton cruelty is immoral, and that's what I see being advocated for. It doesn't magically become a moral act simply because it is visited upon our enemies.
You draw the line, your enemies gleefully step over it and kill you.
I am fine with killing my enemies, but those who gleefully embrace torture are also my enemy because they are evil.
He said torture to get more information out of him, not for its own sake
Information gained through torture is completely unreliable, as they will say anything to get the pain to stop
Still evil. Also not terribly effective from what I hear.
This is a demon we're dealing with. If there is any doubt whatsoever that this is the culprit, then okay. But if we know for 100% certain, I wouldnt rule it out. Not saying some truly gruesome medieval stuff, but something to grease the gears a bit.
No. Torture is morally wrong.
It doesn't make me feel warm and fuzzy inside either, but refusing to play dirty is why we lose.
Edit: You would seriously have potential accomplices go free just so you can feel like you're taking the high road? In this situation?
Edit2: it is becoming more and more apparent this was likely perpetrated in cooperation with many individuals to prepare, coordinate, and act as diversions. You mean to tell me you would prefer to keep your hands clean over finding them and giving them what they deserve?
There's a difference between being effective and being evil. Torture crosses that line.