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Sargon just got Lindsay to admit he is woke left over Israel, demands Israel have their own country because they are the “oppressed victims”, but England deserves no country because they are not “oppressed”. (twitter.com)
posted 282 days ago by Ahaus667 282 days ago by Ahaus667 +112 / -0
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– Kienan 32 points 282 days ago +32 / -0

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I immediately regret this decision.

Let me guess, something, something, "moral equivalency," something something "Hamas," something something "right to defend," something something "antisemitism."


EDIT: Sentences #2 and #3:

The Jews were scapegoated and oppressed in nearly every country...Israel was re-established...a solution to this Holocaust-generating problem...

So far, it's worse than I feared. We continue.

The "English" are also a bit of a complicated mix of people-groups, if you want to get really ethnic about it.

The English don't exist, bigot.

Your reply, of course, will be that England is under precisely this kind of threat now, and might be forced to...establish an ethnostate like Israel...(making England not England), which has never applied to the Israeli circumstance.

What does he mean by this?!

Since then, you've just been frantic to catch me in some kind of contradiction so you can recover face...

What an egotistical, retarded cunt. No one thinks Sargon needs to "save face," no matter how you feel about him. James Lindsay really is just a ridiculous and delusional boomer, it's actually insane.

What generally happens when these things are adopted out of desperation, rather than as with Israel by covenant (rather than as a Volksgemeinschaft)...

Weird.

Israel doesn't do anything like that, which is actually a key difference, since you wanted one.

AMALEK. "G-d's" Chosen People vs Goyim. The list goes on.

If England made an ethnostate by covenant with its long history, that ethnostate would be... English Liberal. And then what?

I mean...

They're currently aiming for non-English, and a mix of liberal and foreign religious zealotry.

Btw, it's worth mentioning that while discussing German citizenship in the Third Reich, Hitler made implicit references to his intentions as such in Mein Kampf, explaining that people who weren't true ethnic Germans would be sent to nations where they belong if they didn't like being second-class citizens

Honestly, more sensible than the alternative. More sensible than what they've done to us over the last century.

...after recognizing that Jews and Romani people were stateless (therefore would have to be dealt with somehow else...).

"dealt with somehow else" started as just trying to get other people to take them. Yeah, it got dark from there, but acting like because they were stateless the plan was always to slaughter them is pretty disingenuous. If that were the case, why did Germany beg other nations to take them? Now, true, it wasn't the other nations' job, and they had a right to protect their own people too, so you can say that was naive and entitled. But it wasn't zero-to-genocide like Lindsay is laying out here.

The real question is how you keep your ethno-England off that road if you start going down it now.

First decent thing he said in this wall of text. He's correct that atrocities is the danger, when it comes to trying to separate the interlopers from the citizen. We didn't create this problem, but we still have to be damn careful how we go about solving it, or it will get nasty. Maybe the liberals should have given more offramps, instead of injecting these outsiders nonstop, and calling anyone who objects Nazis, when they weren't. If there is a nasty reaction, it won't be our side that caused it. It still won't be justified, if atrocities happen...but it will be understandable.

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– RondoOBlongo 21 points 282 days ago +21 / -0

The Jews were scapegoated and oppressed in nearly every country

What a coinkydink

What does he mean by this?!

diversity is codified into the English identity (can't imagine why he'd think that)

dealt with somehow else

Yeah, just ask him how Israel is planning to deal with the mooslims in Gaza

Edit: Apparently, gypsies are entitled to an ethnostate by any means necessary... Uhm, epic?

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– Vivs3rdSock 18 points 282 days ago +18 / -0

What a coinkydink

"If you smell shit everywhere you go..."

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– Erithal 6 points 281 days ago +6 / -0

Linsday is being insufferable here. Conflation of England and Britain to this degree ought to be criminal.

Diversity is coded into the BRITISH identity, which is necessarily an amalgam of English, Scottish, Welsh, and Irish. The chickens of empire being forced to roost in BRITAIN can be (poorly) argued, but ENGLAND as a cultural unit is ethno-national.

English people are revolting because the British elites no longer represent them. London is occupied territory and ethnic cleansing has been underway against them for some time.

Coming from someone as dedicated as Lindsay is to declaring the nuance and particulars of meanings in every word spoken by the radical left, this conflation of terms cannot be anything other than malicious.

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– deleted 9 points 281 days ago +9 / -0
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– covok48 6 points 281 days ago +6 / -0

100% correct. If this site has balls it’d be stickied.

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– Gizortnik 9 points 282 days ago +9 / -0

mostly just the 'moral equivalency'. In that he claims there isn't one between Jews and the English because [INSERT HISTORICAL GRIEVANCE].

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– Kienan 4 points 281 days ago +4 / -0

mostly just the 'moral equivalency'.

That was my primary focus anyway, but I would argue I got the others, too, at least in the ballpark. Antisemitism for sure, and "right to defend" somewhat, although admittedly not in the way I expected. Hamas wasn't explicitly mentioned, but the same reasoning was used, I'd argue:

because of "the neighborhood" and the circumstances it was established as an ethnostate with Jewish-specific privileges

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