Mostly a shit post. Still after watching court dramas and remembering in civics talking about how supernatural explanations are difficult to use as reasonable doubt. What would happen if supernatural entities were proven a fact?
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Well if UFOs were admitted to be true then people who’ve been abducted or those who got radiation could sue since they sought help for govt. if there was a treaty allowing abduction of humans that’s another thing. Also. If all the rumored tech really exists (I.e. quantum healing, ftl travel, anti gravity, etc) that opens the door for a lot of things.
Ghosts and stuff could change how court operates but that is more in depth. I believe both are real but that’s an interesting question
Imagine being able to call a literal ghost to the stand. Not only would murder trials be over very quickly, but imagine being able to call upon a ghost haunting a certain building. hell, I would bet all sorts of ghosts would haunt the white house, imagine the things they could testify to.
Very true. There have been cases of ghosts being seen in the White House. I know Lincoln had a dream as well of being shot like two weeks before he died
Speaking of alien tech. Say aliens came and had teleporters.
Today if you found two people in a locked room and one was dead, it be difficult to establish reasonable doubt the alive guy killed him. But in a world with transporters it's reasonable that someone beamed in, killed, and beamed out.
In a world with transporters a jury member could find someone beaming in and out reasonable. Nowadays someone beaming in wouldn't be a reasonable doubt because it's not considered possible.
Very true. Although if teleporters exist I’m sure some technology used to reconstruct what happened exists. Although that goes along with one of my ghost theories. Some cases appear to be like a recording where one person sees a lady in a Victorian dress coming down the stairs and disappearing and then 4 months later someone sees the exact same thing. So if everything is recorded on the “ether” for lack of a better term then there has to be a way to bring it out
It wouldn't change anything. The vampires would still control the world, still collect their babies for their dark rituals, and still take their baby blood to preserve their ancient lifeforce. If gremlins existed that messed with web browser histories in computers, they'd quickly find themselves aligned with the vampires to set up "probable cause" and continue to use the courts as a weapon, as they ever have.
Though, I'm sure plenty here will rush to tell us that vampires don't exist, that stem cell and blood transfusion research is a myth, and that no one has ever used morally questionable methods such as taking organs of the living to extend their own lifespan.
I'm not saying everyone who works for TfL is a vampire.
But the London Underground WAS created for and by the Ventrue, and most of the deep tunnel maintenance workers do happen to be Nosferatu.
It would be interesting to have a ghost as a star witness to its own murder.
You pretty much answered your own question.
If you could prove it, there wouldnt really be any reasonable doubt.
But as of now we cant prove any of that, so your chances of having a ghost take the blame for killing someone is not going to happen lmao.
Im pretty sure I was reading something, or maybe it was documentary talking about some government soldiers/contractors/workers who were injured after seeing a ufo, with mysterious burns that were never explained. They tried to sue the government but im pretty sure it failed.
Its amazing some of the shit you can prove, and people get away with it.
Like this court case,
https://biotech.law.lsu.edu/cases/research/stanley.htm, where a soldier? was denied compensation for being used as a lab rat by the government.
I could go on and on too. Like dupont with teflon, the government with cleaning up old nuclear sites, workers comp trying to screw people over every little detail.
Or my own personal experience with being poisoned with freon. Like chatgpt said its not even that its rare or something, its just not well understood.
If WCB acknowledged my case, it likely could lead to many other cases down the road involving the same thing. Better off to destroy lives and save some taxpayer money so the rich can steal more of it.
Was reading the other day WCB nova scotia wants to have a list of "pre approved" doctors. If your not on the list, you cant treat workers compensation injuries. They are totally not gonna use that to screw workers over, no sire bob.
Man, one day all of us injured people who got denied benefits should just show up to their building and dismantle it brick by brick. This denying me healthcare stuff is borderline crimes against humanity. Its fucking crazy.
The whole system is corrupt as shit, only works for the rich anyway.
I assume you mean it would be harder to convict defendants of a crime because we couldn't be sure whether aliens or ghosts may have framed the defendant or otherwise interfered? I guess that probably would throw a wrench in things, but I think whatever evidence was used to prove the existence of supernatural phenomena would also be required to prove they interfered in a crime. The defense would need some evidence that ghosts or aliens were likely to have been involved and done the things they claimed. After all, if a defendant was the only person known to be present at the location and time of a murder, then we don't just acquit them simply because the victim could have stabbed themselves to death. We would expect some argument for why "stabbed self to death" is a likely and believable cause of death.
I'm talking about the standard of reasonable doubt. If ghost possession was a known phenomenon, like an absolute certainty, would making an argument the ghost made me do it be within the realm of reasonable doubt?
As it is it's not really grounds for reasonable doubt that a ghost did it.
Oh I hadn't thought about possession. If it was a certainty, then I think that could be a reasonable doubt that could lead to acquittal, just like an insanity plea. I still think there would have to at least be some argument to show that someone likely was possessed, such as a psychological assessment to see if their "possessed" behavior was consistent with their usual behavior, if the human displayed knowledge that the human couldn't possibly have while possessed, or if there was any witness account of their head spinning around and their voice becoming deep and creepy during the supposed possession.
You’d scan the supposed possessee for residual traces of ectoplasm to confirm their story
I imagine it would depend on how exactly they were proven, and what they could be proven to do. If you prove the existence of the kind of ghost that makes smudges in photographs, that opens up very different lines than if you prove the existence of the kind of ghost that can physically move objects around, or possess people, and so on. I imagine certain groups might start grifting in that area (looking at you, The Innocence Project), but with the exception of some very specific cases, and again depending on what exactly the entities did, I don’t expect we’d see mass reopenings or reevaluations of completed trials. One issue here is that one must assume that whatever is proven to exist is so tenuous and so rare that it couldn’t be proven to exist, despite many, many people trying for many many years, until now, which in turn implies that it probably wouldn’t be relevant in the vast majority of cases.
I do predict we’d see a massive spike in people trying to use the new discovery as an excuse in future crimes. There might even be a small uptick in crime overall as people decide “maybe I can get away with [something] by blaming the ghosts.” Hopefully, whatever allowed for the proving of the supernatural would also allow for the disproving of such excuses.
I guess I'm asking how much would reasonable doubt stretch if supernatural explanations were possible.
There’s just such a range of what’s considered supernatural that it’s hard to know without narrowing the scope. Possession, obviously, would be huge, if that’s on the table. Any sudden, surprising violence is suddenly “a ghost made me do it.” Or maybe it was a skinwalker impersonating you? An evil alien clone? The volcano god demanded a sacrifice? A poltergeist hit the accelerator instead of the brakes? Perhaps a psychic vision proves you killed a future Hitler! If the whole gamut of alleged supernatural phenomena is open, I don’t think you could find a single crime that can’t be blamed on or excused by it it somehow.
It really comes down to what exactly has been proven and how it behaves.