I just want to point out that if it weren't for the Perry expedition, the Pacific war would likely never have happened. This concludes this week's episode of The Whigs Ruined Everything.
The Whigs are so bad that they destroyed Classical Liberalism, formed the basis for Fabian Socialism, and are the pre-cursor to almost every bad idea that everyone tries to replicate, dedicated to solely protecting the power of the elite.
Yes, but the Japanese feeling of resentment and rivalry towards the US was a result of the Perry Expedition. Also, FDR initiated the oil embargo on Japan in a deliberate effort to provoke them into attacking. He wanted that war.
Pretty much. Remember he's the reason for the 22nd ammendment. Every POTUS from Washington up to that point only stood for 2 terms, either consecutively or as was the case with Grover Cleavand who was the first U.S. president to serve nonconsecutive terms until Trump did the same.
Literally everyone else adhered to the "Gentlemen's Agreement" to only stand twice. Except FDR, who stood 4 times, although he died shortly into his 4th term.
But remember it's Nixon that gets drawn in Watchmen repealing the 22nd so he can continue standing [for life], because he has the backing of Doctor Manhattan, or so it is believed.
FDR initiated the oil embargo on Japan in a deliberate effort to provoke them into attacking
close. The oil embargo was so that the US would no longer supporting the genocide of China. in response, Japan started eyeing the aisles to the South to secure oil to continue their campaign. FDR passive-aggressively moved the fleet to Pearl harbor, in range of Japan, as a threat to keep Japan from pulling the trigger. this should have been the point where we joined the war, but he needed a propaganda victory to make the US look sympathetic, so he had the fleet just sit in pearl harbor waiting to get bombed.
was Japan the asshole? absolutely. was the attack "sudden" as FDR said it was in the speech? absolutely fucking not. was the United States maintaining peaceful relations with Japan as FDR claimed in his speech? the military posturing says no.
If you really want to go deeper, look at how American Communists in Japan in the 1930s pushed and prodded Japanese policy towards invading Southeast Asia, instead of Siberia, for their resources. Siberia would've been a natural extension of their ground war in Manchuria, and would not have drawn the wrath of the US. Instead, many Communists in the State Department, and the Institute of Pacific Relations, wanted Japan to fight the US, instead of the Soviets.
Based on what i heard he was willing to let japan invade SEA as long as they didn't threaten the Philippines and Hawaii and it was the jappos that were afraid of american fleet and decided to take it out just in case.
Yes! people forget (because they don't know) all the humiliation and punishments the Allies put on Japan in the decade leading up to WW2.
The 5:5:3 ratio (limiting Japan's navy) and oil embargos which harmed Japan's civilian industries greatly & literally forced Japan to plan an aggressive, fast war.
UK, Russia, USA and most other nations were fine with another "Great War" to settle the score. Talk is cheap, eh?
You're mixing some things here. Yes FDR wanted the war, but Japan was also aiming for the war (because Communist spies directed them against the US instead of the USSR, including spies in the US State Department).
The Japanese were not resentful of the Americans before the war, they were inspired by it. It was Japanese policy to learn US history and adopt US customs.
It was Japanese policy to learn US history and adopt US customs.
And it still is to a large degree. Its why there are so many "America-boos" in Japan and why they have some of the highest approval ratings of the US of any country on the planet.
That actually applies to most of Asia honestly, who treats us more like actual friends and allies than almost anyone in Western Europe does (Eastern Europe is different, due to the memory of the Cold War).
I just want to point out that if it weren't for the Perry expedition, the Pacific war would likely never have happened. This concludes this week's episode of The Whigs Ruined Everything.
No one emphasizes this enough.
The Whigs are so bad that they destroyed Classical Liberalism, formed the basis for Fabian Socialism, and are the pre-cursor to almost every bad idea that everyone tries to replicate, dedicated to solely protecting the power of the elite.
Lolz! Japan would have been opened up eventually. The French & Brits were growing envious of Portugal's monopoly there.
Yes, but the Japanese feeling of resentment and rivalry towards the US was a result of the Perry Expedition. Also, FDR initiated the oil embargo on Japan in a deliberate effort to provoke them into attacking. He wanted that war.
So in other words...we can still blame FDR for everything because he turned a diplomatically salvageable situation into a war.
Pretty much. Remember he's the reason for the 22nd ammendment. Every POTUS from Washington up to that point only stood for 2 terms, either consecutively or as was the case with Grover Cleavand who was the first U.S. president to serve nonconsecutive terms until Trump did the same.
Literally everyone else adhered to the "Gentlemen's Agreement" to only stand twice. Except FDR, who stood 4 times, although he died shortly into his 4th term.
But remember it's Nixon that gets drawn in Watchmen repealing the 22nd so he can continue standing [for life], because he has the backing of Doctor Manhattan, or so it is believed.
And the UK too, and their stooge nations like Netherlands & France.
All over China's territory, which nobody but Japan and China wanted anyhow.
close. The oil embargo was so that the US would no longer supporting the genocide of China. in response, Japan started eyeing the aisles to the South to secure oil to continue their campaign. FDR passive-aggressively moved the fleet to Pearl harbor, in range of Japan, as a threat to keep Japan from pulling the trigger. this should have been the point where we joined the war, but he needed a propaganda victory to make the US look sympathetic, so he had the fleet just sit in pearl harbor waiting to get bombed.
was Japan the asshole? absolutely. was the attack "sudden" as FDR said it was in the speech? absolutely fucking not. was the United States maintaining peaceful relations with Japan as FDR claimed in his speech? the military posturing says no.
If you really want to go deeper, look at how American Communists in Japan in the 1930s pushed and prodded Japanese policy towards invading Southeast Asia, instead of Siberia, for their resources. Siberia would've been a natural extension of their ground war in Manchuria, and would not have drawn the wrath of the US. Instead, many Communists in the State Department, and the Institute of Pacific Relations, wanted Japan to fight the US, instead of the Soviets.
Based on what i heard he was willing to let japan invade SEA as long as they didn't threaten the Philippines and Hawaii and it was the jappos that were afraid of american fleet and decided to take it out just in case.
Yes! people forget (because they don't know) all the humiliation and punishments the Allies put on Japan in the decade leading up to WW2.
The 5:5:3 ratio (limiting Japan's navy) and oil embargos which harmed Japan's civilian industries greatly & literally forced Japan to plan an aggressive, fast war.
UK, Russia, USA and most other nations were fine with another "Great War" to settle the score. Talk is cheap, eh?
You're mixing some things here. Yes FDR wanted the war, but Japan was also aiming for the war (because Communist spies directed them against the US instead of the USSR, including spies in the US State Department).
The Japanese were not resentful of the Americans before the war, they were inspired by it. It was Japanese policy to learn US history and adopt US customs.
And it still is to a large degree. Its why there are so many "America-boos" in Japan and why they have some of the highest approval ratings of the US of any country on the planet.
That actually applies to most of Asia honestly, who treats us more like actual friends and allies than almost anyone in Western Europe does (Eastern Europe is different, due to the memory of the Cold War).