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WSJ: "Justice Department Told Trump in May That His Name Is Among Many in the Epstein Files" (archive.vn)
posted 355 days ago by AntonioOfVenice 355 days ago by AntonioOfVenice +31 / -0
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– SocraticMethod1 21 points 355 days ago +21 / -0

The officials said it

This has as much credibility as toilet paper, ESPECIALLY after 'Trump's birthday letter'

Get someone willing to blow the whistle or get sued at this point..

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– AntonioOfVenice [S] 6 points 355 days ago +6 / -0

Eh, Trump said that he didn't draw, even though there were other drawings by him at about the same time, and that he doesn't use the word 'enigma'.

On the Epstein issue, Trump's credibility is very low for me, so if it's him vs. the WSJ, I'm going with the WSJ.

This isn't even directly damaging, because the article itself downplays what kind of context it was in. But I can imagine Trump saying: "FAKE!!!! OBAMA WROTE IT! He wrote it in Hunter Biden's bathroom, it's disgusting! No release of this HOAX!" It explains everything about his behavior.

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– SocraticMethod1 15 points 355 days ago +15 / -0

See I'm opposite, even now after the Epstein files release debacle, Trump's credibility is higher than the WSJ.

Then again, I also think my 2 year old nephew that likes to see if he can lick his own toes has more credibility than the WSJ...

I have no doubt in my mind, these media institutions know MORE than they let on about Epstein, I bet a few of the higher execs were INVOLVED in the seedier side, because who better to blackmail than media? But more than anything, I can NEVER trust the kind of people where the only factor in supporting a policy is who's pushing it not the policy in itself.

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– SR388-SAX 12 points 355 days ago +12 / -0

if it's him vs. the WSJ, I'm going with the WSJ

You've got to be kidding me.

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– current_horror 7 points 355 days ago +7 / -0

Easily one of the dumbest things Antonio has ever said, and the competition is fierce.

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– AntonioOfVenice [S] 1 point 354 days ago +1 / -0

Sorry that you're so bad at elementary logic then.

Trump says that the Epstein Files don't exist, and then they're written by Obama, and then that's a hoax. He's demonstrably lying.

WSJ may well be lying, but it is not demonstrably lying.

Result: WSJ is more trustworthy on this subject than Trump.

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– AntonioOfVenice [S] 2 points 354 days ago +2 / -0

Not at all. Trump says that the Epstein Files don't exist, and then they're written by Obama, and then that's a hoax. He's demonstrably lying.

WSJ may well be lying, but it is not demonstrably lying.

Result: WSJ is more trustworthy on this subject than Trump.

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– Kienan 9 points 355 days ago +9 / -0

On the Epstein issue, Trump's credibility is very low for me, so if it's him vs. the WSJ, I'm going with the WSJ.

Well...that's kind of silly.

Trump has shit the bed, but the WSJ has shit the bed a lot more frequently and consistently. I've been very disappointed in Trump on this issue, but that doesn't mean I'm trusting the WSJ.

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– ModsAreAIDS 2 points 355 days ago +2 / -0

but the WSJ has shit the bed a lot more frequently and consistently.

Not on this particular topic.

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– Kienan 7 points 355 days ago +7 / -0

On all topics.

If you have no credibility on anything else, sorry, no, you don't get credibility just because you're against someone who also has a credibility problem.

Not how it works.

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– Unknownsailor 6 points 354 days ago +6 / -0

Emply Gell Mann Amnesia Effect to your benefit, for once in your life.

WSJ is a media mouthpiece for the Deep State, and nothing they put out is to believed.

NOTHING

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– AntonioOfVenice [S] 1 point 354 days ago +1 / -0

Trump has shit the bed, but the WSJ has shit the bed a lot more frequently and consistently. I've been very disappointed in Trump on this issue, but that doesn't mean I'm trusting the WSJ.

Both the WSJ and Trump are not trustworthy.

In the Epstein case, Trump is demonstrably lying by the mere fact of the law of non-contradiction (hoax, written by Obama, don't exist). Likelihood of Trump being right: 0.

In the Epstein case, the WSJ is not (yet) demonstrably lying, but its track record is also not great. Likelihood of WSJ being right: somewhere close to 0, but not 0 itself.

Not silly at all.

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– Kienan 1 point 354 days ago +1 / -0

But why give any credence to an organization you say has a near zero likelihood of being correct?

If someone has a 1% track record of being honest, and they tell me something...I'm going to bet the other way. Even if the other guy is also being squirrelly. Say what you want about Trump on this, he's still got a better record overall, and was never the most articulate, or honest on some of the details.

There's just no way I'm taking WSJ and anonymous sources as anything of value, when they did this exact same bullshit for a decade.

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– Daucus9 1 point 354 days ago +1 / -0

If it's fake then the WSJ just opened themselves up to the biggest fucking lawsuit from Trump, it's a slam-dunk for him.

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– Kienan 1 point 354 days ago +1 / -0

Except it's all anonymous sources, sources familiar with the matter, etc.

They did it for the last decade, and got away with it nearly every time.

It's wild people here are lending WSJ any credibility whatsoever.

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– ModsAreAIDS 3 points 355 days ago +3 / -0

On the Epstein issue, Trump's credibility is very low for me, so if it's him vs. the WSJ, I'm going with the WSJ.

Those are my feelings as well. He has no leg to stand on with this. At this point, he can release everything or fuck off, because his word doesn't mean shit.

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– LeRiverDanube 6 points 355 days ago +6 / -0

neither does wsj. And you support them this time? Hypocrite much?

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– ModsAreAIDS 1 point 355 days ago +1 / -0

The WSJ isn't the side telling me to ignore my lying eyes and ears on this one. Trump could easily win me over to his side, but he refuses to.

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– Galean 2 points 354 days ago +2 / -0

You can't tell me that you believe that birthday letter? It seems so cartoonish almost like a plot for a Sunday morning cartoon. It just happened to appear now and not during the last 9 years and so perfectly and comically accuses Trump. Also we don't actually have the letter and we need to trust WSJ that has seen the letter and didn't take a picture of it.

The more the left is trying to force the Trump is a pedo angle the more they're going to help Trump.

All they had to do was hammer in that Trump needs to to release the files but they just have to be lying and manipulative in typical leftist fashion. The files was one of the few things both the right and the left can agree upon even if it is for different reasons since the left love their pedos.

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– AntonioOfVenice [S] 1 point 354 days ago +1 / -0

You can't tell me that you believe that birthday letter?

Truth is, I don't know, and neither does anyone here.

Also we don't actually have the letter and we need to trust WSJ that has seen the letter and didn't take a picture of it.

Whether it's authentic or not, that's fairly common for authentic documents. That's what sources often set as conditions.

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– Galean 1 point 354 days ago +1 / -0

What is more likely:

  1. The TDS consumed WSJ made this up

  2. Trump wrote a birthday letter drawing a naked woman and saying wink wink we're so naughty like some high school girl with her friends. A letter that no one ever produced or mentioned until now.

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– Galean 2 points 354 days ago +2 / -0

That birthday letter was so cringe, it seemed that it was done by Team Rocket.

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