Recently Jubilee hosted another "1 vs. 20" roundtable where the 1 was subversive prog Mehdi Hasan and the 20 were "far-right conservatives" found on the internet. Right wing influencer "Pinesap" argued with Hasan for a few minutes, said some wild stuff, then got fired when the roundtable went viral.
His cancellation isn't the interesting part - it's more that his performance has been divisive on the right wing. Initially there was a positive reaction on X, but the backlash has been building for a few days. So here are some thoughts.
Right away Pinesap says he doesn't care about the Constitution and thinks Trump should be more anti-Constitution
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The point is first that the Constitution can be changed if it's hurting us ("the Constitution is not a suicide pact"), but the specifics are that free speech in the First Amendment should be repealed because it allows pr0n and blasphemy. So right away we come to the rub of the issue: he's is a Catholic theocrat (groyper/Fuentes orbiter) and openly says that the Constitution should be remodeled as such.
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Unsurprisingly, I see a lot of problems with this. Free speech is essential to accountability and innovation, and it's a God-given natural right. Nobody has the authority to hijack the country to stop people from criticizing their religion.
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Also, the First Amendment does not protect pornography. Obscenity can still be banned under the Miller test if the culture agrees.
He then states support of an autocracy (obviously) and supports democracy up to the point that it will start this autocracy
- The surprising thing about this part was how credulous he seems to be about common criticisms of dictatorship. He's not worried about potentially being on the wrong side of the autocrat because of Carl Schmitt's friend/enemy distinction, which doesn't make any sense.
On a dare from Hasan, Pinesap then proudly admits he's a fascist
- Weirdly enough, he admits he's a fascist but he starts hedging about whether Nazis were right to persecute Jews. I don't think this is out of any hidden pro-Jewish sentiment, but more out of caution... which is interesting.
He then professes support of free speech because it will allow him to advocate fascism, then subsequently ban free speech
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And now he's fired and has a GiveSendGo that condemns "cancel culture and political discrimination," which is exactly what he wants to enact.
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Should I donate to this guy? I don't know about that. If you believe no one should be fired because of their political views, then this is a great example of the paradox of tolerance.
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The thing is, I believe some people should be fired and ostracized for their political views. I don't want the culture to tolerate (much less protect) progs and furries and people with the trans flag on their coffee mugs. So there's nothing in my principles that says I should support a guy advocating for blasphemy laws for his religion.
The audience clapped loudly for "Catholic theocracy" and "I'm a fascist," but only one guy clapped for "America should be majority white"
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Lol.
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These appear to be very edgy attention-seeking people looking to make a career out of provocateur media and connecting with behind-the-scenes influence networks to make it happen, such as the groyper orbit. (Yet again, Sarah Stock shows up at a Jubilee event.) I'm starting to think that these are right wing theater kids.
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Maybe I'm being too cynical, or maybe this is just wishful thinking, but it seems like the whole scene is going to become Lauren Southern 2.0.
Those “20 right wingers” they bring on are pretty much summed up as either straight up studio plants, right wingers that fit Jubilee’s idea of right wing, or people that scored a certain way on questionnaires and were invited to speak.
Either way, I’ve seen far too many “far right” freak shows there that I know for a fact nobody that has ever even thought of a racial slur was involved in making these videos
I never watch that gay shit. Jubilee is obviously left wing
It was founded by an LA Asian.
Two of the "RWers" they brought to the chair for the Immigration segment were Iranian invaders saying "we need to vet the legal migrants better".
One was dressed up like a pimp/Dick Tracy villain.
Flashback to Sydney Watson appearing as a roundtable "conservative"
That's a pretty interesting litmus test actually. I've never heard any of these types use slurs, although Sarah Stock posted a few times in support of Shiloh Hendrix.
I stay away from slurs myself. But someone like Sam Hyde who deliberately crosses that line has more credibility than anyone in a Jubilee video. Maybe there's a link there.
Or Pearl Davis.
Pearl went viral for being the only non-POC, non-dangerhair on a VICE panel IIRC.
I mean, he's honest about his stance unlike that slimeball Hasan. So why bother firing him unless you WANT him to become more extreme?
I mean, as I said, I'd fire a tranny if given the chance. I'd even fire a chick with mainstream feminist views if she's annoying enough. How could you not? They are an infestation and we're at war with them. If they become more extreme as a result, that's not my problem. We just have to make sure to outcompete them.
Would I fire this guy? Probably not. But if thousands of people beat down my door because I'm employing a fascist who wants to fire me eventually, why would I keep him around?
Because you're not a doormat and a coward? Why would you reward that sort of behavior, guaranteeing more of it?
If thousands of people wanted me to fire a feminist because she said something wild on the internet, should I keep her around?
If you otherwise would.
It's so bizarre to me. In Europe, everyone knows that you generally can't be fired for opinions, so no one demands it of companies. If American companies grow a spine, they'll stop being deluged by vapid losers.
But the companies can have the workers arrested and then fire them for inability to show up to work in Europe can't they?
Don't think so.
Aren't European companies deluged with vapid losers anyway? Ubisoft anyone?
Don't know what exactly you're referring to.
Ubisoft is a French company and they're extremely pozzed
Unless they are physically beating down your door, they are just words. Are the words of strangers who hate you more important than your fellow White man?
I'd take the tranny over the feminist, plenty of trannies are competent at what they do, have interesting hobbies and despite deforming themselves with drugs that kill sex drive to fulfill a sexual fetish they are still more sane and reasonable than the average woman, much less the average feminist.
My biggest issue with people like him is that he’s Catholic, and a “muh based” one at that. One often forgets in the past 20 years but Catholics were the original subverters that for 90% of US history have been viewed with distrust by the average American, and have helped further leftist policy for pretty much all of US history until the past few decades. Catholics can, do and will backstab us on a lot of issues due to their dual allegiance to the RCC sphere. The advocation of the removal of the first amendment is another example of that subversiveness.
Shit like this is what James lindsey uses as "woke right" not realising it's all fake and gay.
The undercurrent isn't though. I would prefer a straight up fascist dictator though over a marxist dictator. At least you can run out of "enemies of the state" or whatever the right wing guy hates, the marxists will never run out of "the rich" because it's a % of society. There will always be a 1% to kill.
I haven't seen it but he sounds like an idiot who will draw fire on your position if you align yourself with him. Going on this show at all sounds like a trap, but if you do you should at least have some idea how to present your position as palatable to normal people. Tell people you don't support democracy as the highest virtue for the same reason you aren't giving Genghis Khan the title of World's #1 Dad and people will be more agreeable to your position than if you tell them you want to create a totalitarian theocracy.
Fair, if a piece of paper stands in the way of our goals and needs then it can be disregarded.
I disagree here, I think speech and distribution of information and imagery should be unlimited but that degenerates and those who are a threat to the ingroup should be identified, executed and their deaths labeled as a mere domestic matter. Let them out and incriminate themselves so their genes can be removed from the pool rather than being able to go into hiding and spread their evil throughout the generations.
And at that point freedom of speech is already dead so why not make use of it to achieve our ends and destroy any any attempt to subvert our will?
Because it really doesn't matter if it's an "autocrat" or a democracy, if you're on the wrong side of the government you're fucked, but at least one has the potential to do good, the other is just waiting to be subverted so it can be used for evil.
Based, using the systems of the enemy against them.
Only absolute retards aren't willing to be hypocrites.
I completely understand where this guy's mindset is and why he believes the things he does, but he's an absolute retard for telling them the play. You don't win by spreading your cards face up on the table. What did he expect to happen?
How did the left do it? Gradual ratcheting is the answer. Even if you're a literal neo-nazi you have to portray yourself as a slightly more hard-core republican. Then once the Overton window has shifted, you flank right again.
Gay and retarded, that requires institutional power and is under the assumption that these radical measures aren't desired.
Walls of text everywhere. Is it safe to assume this is really just some e-celeb drama?
I tried to watch it for 10 mins before I had to stop with seething rage. That streetshitter needs to be curb-stomped for his constant interrupting and the kids don't know the first thing about how slimy cunts like that precent any acutal dialogue.
Doesn't matter if you disagree with what you think. Support all people in the pit.