Disclaimer: Nah, you know what, no disclaimer. Figure it out. Or don't, and call me names. Dealer's choice.
Was just thinking about propaganda and inversion.
Here's the commonly accepted perception:
Israel: Beleaguered state, surrounded by enemies. Constantly attacked. Doesn't get the support it needs. Shunned by the world. Has the right to self defense.
Iran: Official State Sponsor of Terrorism™. Rogue state. Engages in murder and assassination. A danger to the world. Causes chaos in the region. Has nukes.
Not saying Iran is innocent, for the record. They do fund other groups, but if you're talking just the actions of the State itself, Israel is much more involved in terrorism, murder, and assassination than Iran is. Openly, brazenly.
It's amazing how easily you could flip these. DARVO.
When the USA bombs your country without provocation are the "acts of terrorism" really terrorism or is it just Iran's right to defend itself?
Motives are irrelevant to whether something is terrorism.
Things like whether or not they are wearing an identifiable uniform and follow a chain of command, whether they are pretending to be civilians, are picking soft targets with an outsized propaganda effect over picking hard strategic targets with an outsized military effect are relevant.
So what terrorism has Iran actually caused? 911? It's probably more likely to have been Israel behind 911.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKPuxIKl7Lk
Pretty much
Iran has been up to its armpits in the "ethnic cleansing" (genocide) of Iraq. After the USA removed Saddam Hussein and his Sunni officers from control of the Iraqi army, Shiite factions, sponsored by Iran have taken over the country.
Christians and Sunni have all been killed or driven out. The country is more-or-less a puppet state for Iran. This was achieved through systematic executions; which are certainly terrorisms.
The Iraqi state oil reserves are still being exploited by US selected contractors; but the proceeds of the oil sales go to Shiite aligned religious factions that are cozy with Iran.
The Iraqi oil reserves are some of the biggest in the region, partly because others have depleted theirs.
This 100% counts as effective use of terrorism. It has profited Iran and Shiite aligned political actors to the tune of multiple billions of dollars.
And why are they able to do this? Iraq used to have a guy in charge who prevented this. What happened to him? We should probably be going after whoever took him out instead of going after Iran.
Can you provide more detailed information about that?
Sounds no different than how the CIA operated for American interests.
Are you joking or nah?
Not at all. Jews have a history of attacking themselves and their allies as a means to gain an excuse to attack others. 911 was used to attack the middle-east to push Israeli-jewish interests so it's very possible they helped coordinate the attack specially for this purpose.
let's think about the targets. so far, Iran has mostly bombed civilians in Israel. some launchers might have been hit, but a lot of their missiles are flying into straight-up apartment complexes.
I have yet to hear of Iran actually hitting US military bases, or the US itself.
Instead of self-defense, they seem to be engaging more in mutually assured destruction.
Propaganda. Unverifiable.
Propaganda. Unverifiable.
Iran hit a military base. There, now you've heard it. But even if you heard it from someone else, it would be propaganda. Unverifiable.
A conclusion based on propaganda and unverifiable information so, it's a worthless conclusion.
where are you getting your information then? or are you just being contrarian?
I'm just saying no one's information is accurate. It's fog of war. Everything is compromised. Unless you have your own military with satellite imagery, and have boots on the ground gathering intel, no one knows what's truly going on and even then you could be wrong as evidenced by many wars in which governments had wrong information over things that supposedly occured.
Israel needs to stop hiding military targets behind civilians. I said the magic words, so they are now valid targets. Good for the goose, good for the gander.
*this time. There's been countless attacks in the past BY Iran ON the US military and civilians too. Remember the 444 days?
not even a proxy or ""rogue"" terrorist cell? that's news to me. do you have any examples?
They destroyed a few empty buildings after Trump assassinated Suleimani.
They have directly fired various rockets & missiles from Iran at various US installations, yes. Even if they "use a proxy" it's still them. Proxy attacks are numerous, yes?