The next couple weeks will go a long way towards deciding if he remains in a league of his own, or is just king of the trash heap.
That being said, if Trump continues to spend significant time, energy, and American resources on cucking for Israel, while extremely depressing, people still need to focus on extracting us much value as we can out of the rest of his presidency. If we could get a holy grail like ending birthright citizenship, then his terms won't have been wasted.
I would say the difference there is that our commitment there began under Obama and so it was a preexisting war that he had to finish up. This time he is the one starting shit. That's what makes this such a problem.
If it doesn't devolve into anything more than that, then it isn't functionally much different than a couple incidents during his first term. Just much more risky given the specific contexts, but if the risk doesnt bloom into anything particularly harmful then it's pretty much the same in the end.
Very worrying state of affairs but functionally speaking we are not past the point of no return for this becoming a debilitating and drawn out conflict.
Edit: To be clear, there is realistically some level of trust it will be hard for him to ever win back after this. Unless he directly goes against Israel's interests, people will rightly assess that he is partial to them or compromised by them in some way.
This might lead Iran to actually try to get a nuclear weapon. It might lead to Iran becoming a failed state, destbilizing the region even further, and sending 10 million 'refugees' to Europe... destroying the continent.
It's different from joining in the free for all melee that was Syria, already a failed state.
Sure, that can all be covered by "risk" but it isn't possible to judge the result of that right now. That being said, highly unlikely for Iran to collapse unless this escalates significantly and becomes a very drawn out conflict. Of course, many are frothing at the mouth for that exact outcome and orange man has done little to inspire belief that he won't listen to them.
Realistically, Iran has always been highly incentivized to get nuclear weapons, and the last couple weeks has only made that incentive greater.
At this point it may be better for everyone involved if they do have them, sadly. Except Israel but they can get bent at this point.
How many "well if he" are yall gonna give him? HE BOMBED A COUNTRY
Every president does that...which is an abomination.
If you saw me spinning out last night, you'll know I absolutely, completely, and unequivocally condemn the bombing, and think it's evil.
But my concern has always been the sparking of a broader conflict...which sadly seems very, very likely at present.
But until we're in the next forever war, Trump can still at least stabilize from the evil he committed yesterday. It's not looking like he will, but it's possible.
Trump already bombed Turkey, Syria, Yemen, Iraq, and I think Lebanon, Somalia, and the like. As well as others. He got away with those. This is evil, but not a complete dealbreaker unless full war kicks off.
"Bombing a country" is nothing new to Trump. Starting a new forever war would be, though. That's my concern, and that's why this bombing was especially evil.
The next couple weeks will go a long way towards deciding if he remains in a league of his own, or is just king of the trash heap.
That being said, if Trump continues to spend significant time, energy, and American resources on cucking for Israel, while extremely depressing, people still need to focus on extracting us much value as we can out of the rest of his presidency. If we could get a holy grail like ending birthright citizenship, then his terms won't have been wasted.
How many "well if he" are yall gonna give him? HE BOMBED A COUNTRY
He did that his previous term too, but America didn't get pulled into playing in the sandbox then either.
I would say the difference there is that our commitment there began under Obama and so it was a preexisting war that he had to finish up. This time he is the one starting shit. That's what makes this such a problem.
Trump bombed Syria his first term. Tell me again...what happened to Syria after that?
It didn't involve a full scale American invasion, which was the only upside to it.
If it doesn't devolve into anything more than that, then it isn't functionally much different than a couple incidents during his first term. Just much more risky given the specific contexts, but if the risk doesnt bloom into anything particularly harmful then it's pretty much the same in the end.
Very worrying state of affairs but functionally speaking we are not past the point of no return for this becoming a debilitating and drawn out conflict.
Edit: To be clear, there is realistically some level of trust it will be hard for him to ever win back after this. Unless he directly goes against Israel's interests, people will rightly assess that he is partial to them or compromised by them in some way.
This might lead Iran to actually try to get a nuclear weapon. It might lead to Iran becoming a failed state, destbilizing the region even further, and sending 10 million 'refugees' to Europe... destroying the continent.
It's different from joining in the free for all melee that was Syria, already a failed state.
Sure, that can all be covered by "risk" but it isn't possible to judge the result of that right now. That being said, highly unlikely for Iran to collapse unless this escalates significantly and becomes a very drawn out conflict. Of course, many are frothing at the mouth for that exact outcome and orange man has done little to inspire belief that he won't listen to them.
Realistically, Iran has always been highly incentivized to get nuclear weapons, and the last couple weeks has only made that incentive greater.
At this point it may be better for everyone involved if they do have them, sadly. Except Israel but they can get bent at this point.
Every president does that...which is an abomination.
If you saw me spinning out last night, you'll know I absolutely, completely, and unequivocally condemn the bombing, and think it's evil.
But my concern has always been the sparking of a broader conflict...which sadly seems very, very likely at present.
But until we're in the next forever war, Trump can still at least stabilize from the evil he committed yesterday. It's not looking like he will, but it's possible.
Trump already bombed Turkey, Syria, Yemen, Iraq, and I think Lebanon, Somalia, and the like. As well as others. He got away with those. This is evil, but not a complete dealbreaker unless full war kicks off.
"Bombing a country" is nothing new to Trump. Starting a new forever war would be, though. That's my concern, and that's why this bombing was especially evil.
As is tradition.