I’ll be upfront and say that as a millennial, I was a shithead in my 20s. I never put my best foot forward and my work ethic was questionable at best, especially when I found the job to be bullshit. I think this is common for every generation growing up, so the amount of Gen Z hate I see constantly is staggering. Everywhere you look it is Gen Z being berated for not caring about work and how tech illiterate they are… But honestly I don’t really see that at least in the White Gen Z men. They seem fine and not anymore phone-addicted than Millennials and Gen X’ers, and if they did have a “lacking” work ethic, I don’t really blame them since they are still so young and living in a damn clown world and being constantly reminded of how much of a clown world they live in.
I don’t see a group of failures, I see a group that has been failed by whatever vestiges of a society we have left, and everybody seems to be more interested in keeping them down than bothering to lend a hand in any meaningful way.
Work ethic is a result of maturity and incentives. Clown world has taken a wrecking ball to both, especially when it comes to incentives for whites. The infantilization of younger generations (and I count millennials in that to a certain extent) essentially stunted their development and a lot of people don't move past being a mental teenager until beyond 30. I don't even think I need to explain the incentive aspect. When someone is stuck working a dead end job with no benefits or hope for the future because all the good jobs go to diversity applicants it's little wonder they only do the bare minimum. When hard work doesn't get rewarded you get less of it.
I can't fault anyone under 24 for being disaffected. Why should they give up the best years of their life being wagie tax cattle for an illegitimate occupation regime that hates their guts? Why should they be lied to that they have any hope of living the way their grandparents or great-grandparents did? There's more to life than consoom product and get excited for next product and they deserve the truth.
Plus they have the perfect window seat, seeing just how horribly things played out for a lot of millennials who did try to play the game.
Widely demoralized, and a huge swathe who are openly displaying just how much they've lost their fucking minds. Many who also had a heavy hand in making this giant clusterfuck as bad as it is. Especially successful millennials who got shortcuts and easy passes without having to do anything to earn it (usually on the left, due to ideological nepotism, DEI). College degrees being useless as hell too, they've realized that pretty fast.
They can clearly see that shit's beyond broken and that none of their elders are going to do a damned thing to fix it. They generally seem to be aware that communism is absolutely absurd and not a good solution either. But that leaves them with... very few options, except to not play the idiotic game until something actually changes.
I agree. Except the broccoli haired ones. It looks retarded and they need to hear the truth.
But seriously, even if they did care less, I can't fault them. I can actively feel my self caring less with every passing day. The constant deluge of artificial controversy for controversy's sake would be bad enough but we get to watch our civilizations get undermined in real time. We look at headlines and videos and say, "wow public education sure hates White males." These kids live that for hours, 5 days a week. If anything, I'm impressed that Gen-Z has kept it together as well as they have, being the target of a non-stop demoralization campaign.
One other thing to toss into the conversation: religion. Belief in a better life after this one is kept/keeps a lot of people going through shit times. An otherwise unrewarded work ethic was became a rewarded one. But if a work ethic isn't seen as valuable by their peers, society doesn't reward it, and they don't have faith that it's virtuous, they're down to personal pride as a driving force and they'll try to beat that out of them too. Assuming they even picked up a sense of personal pride given the state of media and the absence of fathers.
While we're on the topic of generations. I think we tend to be unfair to the Boomers too. Mainstream adoption of TV hit in their early years and no one was prepared for it. A propaganda box in every living room tossed into a high-trust society. Not to give them a pass on everything, but I understand how so many of them turned out the way they did.
Really Americans sold out their future when they enacted the federal reserve in 1913 and then allowed universal suffrage. The nail in the coffin was the socialistic welfare state in the 1930s and opening citizenship and immigration to non Europeans.
By boomers time the stage had already been set.
I swear the broccoli hair is a strategic move to hide the widespread receding hairline that an unprecedented level of hormone altering chemicals and microplastics has caused.
The issues I see with gen z is that in many ways (thanks to public education mainly) they are much dumber than previous generations. Most gen-z I interact with have trouble adding and subtracting. They are far less tech savvy than millenials and gen x, and personally I think they're far dumber with their money as well.
That's one of the things that surprises me about working with the youngest hires at my company. The stereotype is that kids are great with computers, but from my experience almost none of them know how to use MS Office suite, which I remember being about the only thing that was taught to me in computer lab classes. You really can't do much in a business space without Word, Excel and Outlook at the very least.
On the other hand, they all far outstrip me when it comes to doing things with their phones, because that's what they were raised on (I straddle the line between Millenial and Gen Z, for reference). I asked one kid to edit a video for me, and the first thing he did was download it to his phone rather than open it up in Adobe Premier or whatever.
The word processing and document editing shift in expertise probably has a lot to do with Google docs. Well that and how Microsoft and other companies have adopted the "product as a service" model and royally paywalled a lot software that's supposed to be the industry standard.
And that's not to mention how much more obnoxious it might be for youngsters to learn how to pirate that shit than it was 10-20 years ago.
I can't entirely blame zoomers or public schools for not wanting to deal with a lot of that. Granted, there are open source options that are pretty solid but sometimes they can be a pain to work with.
Who taught them? People love to pretend the failures of society fail on their own. It allows us to absolve ourselves of responsibility to our community.
Could be that there's some environmental factors at play with some of the learning disabilities. The massive spike in plastic and disposable goods starting right before they were born and onward as they grew up is kind of insane.
Otherwise though, smartphones. So many tools available in such a small and portable package. Yet a lot of it's designed to be spoon-fed to the user. Both because of the limited UI and because apps were designed for maximum simplicity to appeal better to normies and elderly sorts. And also due to what used to be limited by weaker hardware.
If there is any consolation, I see more dislike towards millennials then gen z among older millennials and gen x-ers.
Older zoomers are the pronouns and bussin no cap frfr fags who voted almost entirely left in 2020. The younger gen seems to be pushing back (and it's good).
There does seem to be a rightward trend among dissident youth in contrast to what conventional wisdom says. From boomer hippies to Gen X Young Reaganauts to millennial libertarians to Gen Z alt-right. With any luck Gen Alpha will be full "Tomorrow belongs to me"
As you said, you, and everyone, was a shithead in your youth. You wouldn't appreciate or listen to any help if it was offered, as most of us didn't because we thought we knew better or were invincible. That's the river every boy must cross. The "my dad was right" moment when you stop resisting and finally let that helping hand actually help you before you fuck it up. And a lot of the current crop of boys won't be able to cross that because society has failed in so many ways that they can't naturally mature into such a mindset.
Millenials already showed how things like fatherlessness, porn addiction, broken gender relations, and the messy economy can leave boys listless and aimless for way longer than generations prior, and very few of those problems have improved in any meaningful way.
A lot of guys will rebel against it, and make their own way, because men are resilient and capable by nature. But that's only those who have the nature to be such, for the rest it'll be an uphill battle.
I tend to agree.
Some people don't seem to want to admit when their memory's a little narrow or shoddy as they grow older. And further still some will often lack the humility, patience, and/or self awareness to admit when they're wrong or when they don't know as much as they pretend they do.
Lazy logic and rationale, assumption jumping, and just plain old scapegoating. It's not a new thing by any means, but it is sad to see first-hand just how many fall prey to it, giving in freely without so much as a second thought.
Having said that, there is certainly going to be some legitimate criticism to bear towards certain common trends and widely adopted habits. But maybe it would be more sensible to address those as they are rather than just trudging them up as a evidence to blanket dump on an entire generation.
Hell, who knows. Maybe some kind of cyclic generational bullshit could be put to rest if there wasn't so much petty squabbling and finger pointing.
I had to look to make sure I knew what was even counted as Gen Z and found generally 1997-2012. So the two groups I know are at either the oldest (late 20s) or youngest (mid teens) of that. The former being an old gaming group several of which I knew locally and a few I’ve kept up with. They are all generally okay. Not perfect but neither was I. Even the ones that bordered on basement dwelling leech have started to grow out of it. The younger group is my cousin and I know a few of his friends too. It’s no more or less fucked up than when I was a teenager what seems ages ago. There’s a bit too much love for nigger rap and internet trend chasing I suppose. I don’t hear a ton of the Gen Z slang as they’ve gotten older that went mostly away. I do struggle with if my cousin and if he’s going to amount to anything, but that’s his parents fault. He’s legitimately a good smart guy just he’s never pushed to do anything difficult so he doesn’t try at times. He’s not even lazy. One of his best friends is a really solid just good dude high character well beyond his age. I certainly can’t just pick out anything worse than any other group of teenagers. The young ones totally reject all the faggotry.
So yeah, I don’t think you’re wrong really. Although I don’t really know anyone in the middle years of Gen Z, and I only know white guys.
I agree entirely with your post. White men have been shit on for generations and they are getting together online to discuss it.
The ones who are rotten are really, really rotten.